Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atlus USA


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. There is consensus to not delete, but a split between keep and merge. This should be hashed out in a talk page merger discussion, not another AfD.  Sandstein  20:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Atlus USA

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Reads like a video game essay, insufficient standalone notability. Only source I found that might have sufficient coverage is the Game Informer one, suggesting merger with Atlus. IgelRM (talk) 02:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette Edit! 03:19, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Video games and Companies. IgelRM (talk) 02:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: Seems quite notable, cites over 77 sources, many of which are secondary. I will note that if language is an issue, just tag it.  thetechie@enwiki  :  ~/talk/  $  02:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I could have tagged for style but generally interviews, which are a large part of the sources, don't give sufficient notability. IgelRM (talk) 17:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: A fairly in-depth article that explains its significance outside of the parent company; several dozen hits when looking at a cursory Google Books search. I do not see a strong reason to delete. Why? I Ask (talk) 02:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I am assuming you are referring to "notable in its localization approach in preserving as much of the original", but I struggle to find a notable source for that and mentioned Game Informer article doesn't say it. It would help me if you could pick an example book with significant coverage. IgelRM (talk) 17:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Neutral: I know I'm biased, and if things go another way I'll accept the decision. If style and writing is the issue, then it needs a rewrite. Or maybe trimming down in places like that huge game list. --ProtoDrake (talk) 06:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * (Biased means article creator here for outsiders) It only makes sense to rewrite if it is notable. The game list seems fine although ideally it should be sourced and maybe spun-out to a separate page. IgelRM (talk) 18:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  04:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: Somewhat off-topic but the name in the lead was changed from "USA to "West" (as well as on the Atlus article), which does not appear to an official name. IgelRM (talk) 18:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Can the keep editors give WP:THREE for those of us who don't want to slog through 77 (!) references? -- asilvering (talk) 05:08, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Tagging . I mentioned relevant Game Informer article above, so maybe two? IgelRM (talk) 10:55, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - per above, article passes WP:GNG smoothly. Videogameplayer99 (talk) 22:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 11:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge, concur with others below, fails WP:THREE, see discussion on my talk Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 01:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to Atlus . After (briefly) looking through the 77 sources and Google Books, I'm simply not seeing significant coverage of Atlus USA in reliable, secondary, independent sources. The article clearly has plenty of sources, but they're all trivial mentions (not significant coverage) or interviews (not secondary or independent), plus a few primary sources from Atlus. A few sources do border on significant coverage of Atlus, the parent company, but not Atlus USA, the subject of this article. The only source that is unequivocally significant coverage of Atlus USA is Game Informer, as mentioned above. Will gladly change my mind if anyone can point to two more sources that actually demonstrate SIGCOV. Woodroar (talk) 12:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Deliberating a possible merge: History section (except staff section, which does not appear notable) to Atlus; Localization approach section (mostly about localizing SMT) to Megami Tensei; Publishing section and third-party list into an additional section on List of Atlus games. IgelRM (talk) 19:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This makes sense to me! Woodroar (talk) 13:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Editors are free to merge whatever content they want to other articles but XFDcloser can only handle one Merge target article in closing a discussion. Would that be Atlus? Liz Read! Talk! 17:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Understood, yes; although merging most into Atlus doesn't appear feasible to me, so perhaps redirect to Atlus would be a more accurate AFD close while still preserving for future editors. IgelRM (talk) 21:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Functionally, a merge or redirect is the same result for the topic article. Just a matter of "review for mergeable content first" really. -- ferret (talk) 21:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge I've been going back and forth on this one, but Woodroar more or less said where I ended up. The GameInformer is a huge in-depth source, but as I went through the rest, I simply could not find anything else. A few passing mentions in relation to games ("And Atlus USA is translating" and the like), and many of the non-interviews/non-primaries seemed to not mention Atlus USA at all. Calls for the !Keeps to provide at minimum three are unanswered at this time. -- ferret (talk) 13:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm just curious, is there policy/precedent for not spinning out regional branches like this? Nintendo of America for example doesn't have a standalone article even though it seemingly could.  I know WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't an argument for or against deletion, I'm just wondering if there was some previous consensus on this.  CurlyWi (talk) 17:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think ideally every single article is as comprehensive as possible, so I would need to ask why (maybe because of the section length?) and what a spin-out would improve. IgelRM (talk) 18:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per above. The article doesn't have enough in-depth sources to exist on it's own, most articles are about the Japanese developer. Swordman97  talk to me 03:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep - Seems quite notable per WP:NORG.  Coco bb8  (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 18:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Would you mind identifying the three best sources demonstrating notability for Atlus USA? Woodroar (talk) 18:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I really really want to change my position, but no one has provided a single source other than Game Informer that shows in-depth independnent sigcov. -- ferret (talk) 18:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete It currently fails WP:NCORP. I looked at the first block of references in detail and quickly looked at the second block. The first block is mostly made up of profiles with no byline, routine business news, PR and interviews with leading folk in the company, none of which passes WP:SIRS or WP:ORGIND. The second block is just equally as bad. It is completely non-notable. Possible small merge to main article, a sentence or two at most as they're is nothing to support anything bigger.     scope_creep Talk  09:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep The article seems notable, per WP:GNG, but not per WP:NCORP. I searched through articles about the company for about 30 minutes, I found a lot of articles about Sega's acquisition of the company, the parent company's bankruptcy, the CEO retiring, but nothing 'about' the company. MKsLifeInANutshell (talk) 15:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm really sorry but, as has been repeatedly requested... can you provide at least three such sources that show independent in-depth coverage of Atlus USA? Your !vote seems to indicate you found information on the parent company but couldn't find any further sources about this company? -- ferret (talk) 18:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge. A content fork, the refs are all trivial mentions. Desertarun (talk) 16:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.