Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atta Elayyan


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The result was keep. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:04, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Atta Elayyan

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I have nominated this article due to it failing WP:GNG. Elayyan is not notable under WP:NSPORTS and the coverage of him is entirely due to his cause of death WP:BLP1E. 202.172.113.133 (talk) 03:23, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete. The deceased did not have any significant coverage prior to this death, therefore his death does not warrant any Wikipedia coverage beyond that of the other 49 victims. He does not satisfy notability guidelines for a standalone article. WWGB (talk) 05:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sufficient sources prior to death to establish notability. WWGB (talk) 11:55, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete This is the saddest/one of the most difficult delete !votes I've ever cast, but unfortunately the deceased would not have been notable enough for an article last week. Delete per WP:GNG and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. SportingFlyer  T · C  05:24, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep (changed from delete). I am sympathetic to any national representative, as I consider it being covered under WP:NSPORTS “participated in a major amateur or professional competition”. However, I would like to see some solid coverage from before his death. I can not find any, will flip quickly if some is found. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 05:33, 17 March 2019 (UTC)).
 * change to keep as Wumbolo has found enough pre death refs for verification. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 17:19, 17 March 2019 (UTC)).


 * Weak keep, although I have BLP reservations in case his family requests the article be deleted. There is coverage before the massacre - see . He was New Zealand Football's futsal "player of the year", and has been described as a great goalkeeper . All of these refs are from before the mass shootings, and when combined with the newer refs with greater coverage, WP:BASIC is met.  w umbolo   ^^^  14:08, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: Another tragic article and difficult AfD discussion. There may be profiles of him (and other victims) published in the media in the coming days/weeks, and those profiles may detail not just his death but also his life before it, and could be good RSes from which to write an article. NOTCRYSTALBALL but at the same time I'm waiting to vote to see what develops over the next week. Leviv&thinsp;ich 15:03, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep PvOberstein (talk) 17:30, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * HARD KEEP This guy wasn't just a futsal player (although he did win two national titles and a player of the year award) . He was the CEO of LazyWorm Apps, and the founder of MetroTube and Tweetro+. According to the principal software engineer of Microsoft, MetroTube was once the most popular app in the Windows store. He was featured in a Microsoft Ignite keynote video and was on CIO100's list of New Zealand's most influential tech people for both 2017 and 2018. There's plenty of information on this guy and he's notable enough to warrant a wiki page. He was also a CounterStrike pro, although it might be hard to find sources for that. But regardless, he was an incredibly interesting and talented person and I really hope we don't delete his page just because he wasn't discovered until after his death. TwistedLogix (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Here's an autobiographical forum post from 2012 about playing CS.  w umbolo   ^^^  21:42, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep I think his business career adds a lot of impact to the relevance here. There are loads of articles about the work he was doing at Lazy Worm. See:
 * https://idealog.co.nz/tech/2017/11/very-real-uses-virtual-reality-new-zealand-workplaces
 * https://www.cio.co.nz/article/635193/cio100-2018-31-100-atta-elayyan-lwa-solutions/
 * http://www.uce.canterbury.ac.nz/blog/young-entrepreneur-series-atta.shtml


 * Comment It pains me to argue against this, but of the sources provided in this discussion so far, only the CIO write-up might pass WP:GNG. The Canterbury article is an interview with an alumnus, the "player of the year" mention was a sentence in routine sports coverage, the "great goalkeeper" mention was in the league's media guide, the Idealog article only quoted him for a couple grafs halfway down the article and isn't sigcov. The other sources are medium articles, tweets, or links to Youtube. I understand the sentiment is to keep this, but I'm mostly posting this if someone were to take a look at this AfD after the fact. An article on him would have been deleted a week ago without thought. SportingFlyer  T · C  20:26, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree that it might be hard to sort out his coverage from the recent tragic events, but from the little bits and pieces I can find, he was a recognized innovator in his IT field and has represented New Zealand in sport at an international level. I would argue that, apart from the article being inadequate at the moment, he meets WP:GNG on his own merits NealeFamily (talk) 01:26, 18 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment I just noticed this on the front page of the BBC: . SportingFlyer  T · C  05:46, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as per coverage above. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:40, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per the comments above. Ben5218 (talk) 08:41, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Wasn't notable before he was one of 50 killed in a mass shooting, isn't notable after. Futsal players have to meet WP:GNG and the lack of sources pre death are what should apply not the tributes after. Dougal18 (talk) 09:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 10:41, 18 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Christchurch mosque shootings. GiantSnowman 10:43, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep named in the New Zealand CIO100 two years in a row; he had notability before his death. In depth coverage of that, plus coverage of him being NZ Futsal Player of the Year = multiple published independent sources = WP:BASIC is met.Grutness... wha?   14:15, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep this article is an easy GNG pass. Even without the attack in NZ there is multiple, independant sources, no just his sporting career but business as well.Borgarde (talk) 20:51, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep notable before the shooting; notable after. Meets WP:GNG, IMHO. Definite keep. GhostOfNoMeme (talk) 23:31, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep He is a notable entrepreneur,software developer and football player. He is multi talented and The accident is very notable. In fact any one of these reasons is enough to keep the article.
 * Keep There are already plenty of articles on other sports athletes that are shorter than this one. Also, because of the circumstances and of his past accoplishments outside of sport, the page should not be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boldblazer (talk • contribs) 05:43, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The article has been expaned beyond the initial premise of being a victim of the shooting.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:07, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep while the article was originally focused on his probably-non-notable sports career, I think the recent reorientation towards his much more notable career in computing leads me to a keep vote. Blythwood (talk) 20:33, 19 March 2019 (UTC)


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