Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Attack State Red


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The result was   merge to Richard Kemp. Looks a little premature for an article at the moment. If it gains more coverage when it's actually published, it can always be spun out again. Black Kite 20:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Attack State Red

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I think this fails Notability (books), it isn't discussed in third-party sources. I found this tabloid link but it is hardly third-party, it is a syndication and written by Kemp, the author of this book. Per our guidelines on self-promotion Wikipedia is not a vehicle for self-promotion and that is what this article is in my opinion. It is a puff-piece that doesn't actually discuss the book, how can it given that it isn't published yet? Frankly, I don't think this book meets the basic requirements to have a Wikipedia article. Woody (talk) 20:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, Kemp was commander of British forces in Afghanistan, that should give some notability, however inherited, to the book about his experiences there. If there's a disagreement about the notability of the book, then I would not object to a redirect and merge into his article.  Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 21:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't disagree with a redirection to his article. I am not disputing Kemp's article, that is why I have started cleaning it up! ;) I am disputing the notability of this book under our guidelines. A small paragraph on Kemp's book in his article should suffice for this unless it becomes a seminal work. As yet there aren't many sources that talk about it other than self-published ones. Woody (talk) 21:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * keep/redirect per Gentleman. I always side with keep when it comes to books. Ikip (talk) 02:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The publisher's page says that the book is to be published on September 3. More sources may come about after that date. The article was probably started a little pre-maturely. maclean (talk) 19:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to Richard Kemp. With a future release date on the book and no reliable sources writing about it, there is no established notability for the book.  This is being published by Penguin, and not some minor publisher or through self-publishing.  It may very well become notable, but until that time, it doesn't meet the inclusion guidelines for a standalone article.  A merge will preserve the current article in the redirect page, and is available if and when a spinout to a standalone article is justified.  i will note that the current article has a lot of editting issues so just resurrecting it would probably be a bad idea in the event of a spinout. -- Whpq (talk) 13:14, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
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