Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Attard F.C.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 14:11, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Attard F.C.

 * – ( View AfD View log )

Amateur club which does not pass WP:FOOTYN.  Onel 5969  TT me 16:12, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Club plays in the national cup and thus passes WP:FOOTYN. User:apple20674 16:45, 4 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  Onel 5969  TT me 16:12, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Malta-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:30, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:38, 4 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Abstain I am not sure about Maltese football, they play in the National Amateur Cup but not the FA Trophy. There maybe enough to pass GNG out there, a fair number of hits on google. Can't be bothered to go through it all. Govvy (talk) 20:46, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep per soccerway link that apple provided, which passes WP:FOOTYN (playing in the national cup). I've updated the article a little bit, but it could still be improved a lot more. I am sure there is more that can be added. Govvy (talk) 12:10, 7 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep Seems like a sourceable article, but will need to translate Maltese to show WP:GNG. SportingFlyer  T · C  00:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 10:42, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: FOOTYN is a shortcut to determine whether a subject may be expected to pass GNG. However, once challenged, a subject can only be kept if compliance with GNG actually can be established. "Keep" !voters are encouraged to present independent reliable sources that discuss the subject in depth.
 * Keep - Passes WP:FOOTYN, because of the clause here: "Teams that have played in the national cup (or the national level of the league structure in countries where no cup exists) generally meet WP:GNG criteria. Teams that are not eligible for national cups must be shown to meet broader WP:N criteria." as shown here: "https://int.soccerway.com/national/malta/fa-trophy/20192020/1st-round/r53592/", in the 8th line. Also passes WP:GNG as they have significant coverage from the Maltese Football Association, which is reliable and official and a FIFA member, thus being naturally independant. apple20674apple20674 Talk 12:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:FOOTYN due to playing in a national cup, as evidenced above Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:FOOTYN. Riteboke (talk) 07:15, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 13:04, 15 April 2021 (UTC) Comment - given my heavy involvement in closing football related AfDs I will specifically abstain from any vote, but I think it is worthwhile as an administrator seconding Randykitty's relisting rationale. FOOTYN is not a guidelines, it is merely an essay within a WikiProject. It quite clearly says:

''Per Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Teams, teams are required to meet the general notability guideline. The following guidance may indicate at what level teams generally have enough coverage to meet the GNG''.

Its obvious from this that FOOTYN cannot be cited on its own as a valid Keep rationale it is a locally determined essay suggesting a line beyond which clubs can be expected to have coverage sufficient to meet. It is still on individual editors to evidence this. Clearly following this comment I should not be involved in the close of this AfD, but I hope editors can focus more 9n GNG hare rather than local consensus. Fenix down (talk) 22:45, 15 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - I can't find anything that can undisputedly be considered as SIGCOV. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:51, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep meets GNG since they played in a cup match.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:35, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:FOOTYNAloolkaparatha (talk) 09:45, 22 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.