Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aubrey W. Young


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Shimeru (talk) 19:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Aubrey W. Young

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Unnotable, minor public official whose only significant coverage comes from the various obits (the only sources for the entire article) upon his death, and he was unheard of before then. Clearly fails WP:POLITICIAN and WP:N.


 * 1) He has NOT "held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislature and judges"
 * 2) was NOT a "major local political figure" nor did he ever receive "significant coverage"
 * 3) Does NOT meet WP:N

Wikipedia is not a memorial nor obituary archive nor a WP:NEWS site, and Young may have had an "interesting" life, but it doesn't make him notable. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. — --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Louisiana-related deletion discussions. — --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - I see the argument, and the notability is weak, but seem barely adequate... and it is a well-done article of its sort. I see little reason to keep it but no reason to delete it...thus I dropped my PROD.-  Sinneed  13:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Please explain what notability you see? His obit being published is not notable. People gushing about his life in said obits (which are generally not written to say "hey, look, I was just a regular person" does not make him notable. He has, as noted, received absolutely no coverage outside of those obituaries. I'd also disagree with it being a "well-done" article considering the tonal and NPOV issues. If there is no reason to keep it, why keep it? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:39, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sadly, I must decline, I have a vague recollection of hitting some minor mentions when I did the PROD, but I just don't think this article is worth this much effort. - Sinneed  13:59, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - The article is about a figure in the field of alcohol abuse, not politics per se. The article has already survived one attempt at deletion and was immediately given a DYK line.Billy Hathorn (talk) 13:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * DYK doesn't mean it is notable, nor is someone removing the prod (particularly when they explained above that they really didn't see it as being that notable still). Young was not a "figure" in any field, except as proclaimed by their descendants in their obituaries. A figure is important before they die and during their career, not waxed about poetically after the fact. Also please remember that it is considered polite to identify yourself as the article creator when arguing keep in discussions. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:44, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There have been over 1,200 viewings of the article as of April 21.Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * So? The viewings all came when it became a DYK. That has nothing to do with whether it is deleted or not, and that really isn't that many. WP:POPULARPAGE -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:49, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. Doesn't seem to pass WP:BIO. Paid advertisements written by family members obviously cannot be accepted as independent coverage by WP:RS sources. See and  and note the fact that references  and  are identical. — Rankiri (talk) 14:31, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a memorial. The article was created days after Mr. Young's death, drawing from obituaries.   Sad to say, most of us aren't recognized for our contributions to society within our lifetimes.  Mandsford (talk) 15:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- Nuujinn (talk) 21:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * New material found:

In 1967, however, as he was seeking a second term against fellow Democrat U.S. Representative John R. Rarick, McKeithen fired Young as his aide de camp. D. Dalton Smith of New Orleans was indicted on public bribery charges stemming from reports that Smith offered Young $25,000 to influence Young's decisions in government. After dismissal from the McKeithen staff, Young turned state's evidence. It was Young's testimony before a grand jury that led to Smith's indictment.

There is also an acquittal of Young on another legal matter, but I don't have details of that now.Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:36, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * A single mention in a single paper from the 60s still doesn't make him notable, only slightly more interesting. He isn't even the focus of the article, just mentioned in relation the investigation as a whole. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

There is more than a single mention. He is also in Life Magazine article about Jimmy Hoffa. There are other sources that I have not yet been able to pinpoint.


 * Weak keep. Moderately notable and actually quite well-sourced, although as most of these are obituaries it does need a bit more. Alzarian16 (talk) 11:51, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Major changes have been made to the story that should negate the previous posters who urge deletion. I am looking for more information as well. Billy Hathorn (talk) 13:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 20:11, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
 * Relisted as there needs to be clarity on whether the improvement is enough to outweigh the early policy based delete votes. Spartaz Humbug! 20:13, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, a lot of reliable references indicating that the subject is notable. Samwb123T (R)-C-E 02:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Sources indicate that the subject meets the general notability guide. かんぱい！ Scapler (talk) 03:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.