Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Auckland children bodies found in suitcases


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Consensus is that this is sufficiently notable, though perhaps not at the best title, which will be decided at Talk:Auckland children bodies found in suitcases. Complex / Rational 12:27, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Auckland children bodies found in suitcases

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It's a horrible thing, but is it really notable? If it is, isn't it news WP:NOTNEWS? If the consensus is that it isn't covered by NOTNEWS, isn't the detail WP:TOO SOON before an upcoming criminal trial? JMWt (talk) 09:25, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and New Zealand. JMWt (talk) 09:25, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep or draftify: This is a recurring news event that has been appearing on national television since it took place in 2022. I don't think it applies to WP:NOTNEWS as it is quite a strange event, these two should make it notable. I'm unsure about WP:TOOSOON, but I'm in favour of draftifying until the trial ends if consensus is made that it is too soon. — Panamitsu (talk) 10:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Significant national and international coverage. Terrible title though. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:22, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. As noted above, the killing have been covered by reliable sources. That said, I agree that the article should be renamed e.g. to "Death of Minu and Yuan Jo", or, should the trial determine that these are murder cases, to "Murder of Minu and Yuan Jo".Cortador (talk) 11:46, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Gets ongoing coverage, which makes it notable.  Schwede 66  16:09, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep or draftify Concur with the others. There is a precedent on Wikipedia for covering notable criminal cases before the verdict has been decided: eg. Shooting of Matthew Hunt, Kidnapping of Yanfei Bao, and the 2023 trial regarding the 2019 Whakaari / White Island eruption. Another alternative is to move the article into draft mode while awaiting the trial verdict. That was what we did for the Murders of the Dickason children article. The mother and suspect Hakyung Lee is a non-notable person and thus entitled to a fair trial, in line with WP:blpname and WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE. WP:BLPCRIME, WP:BLP1E advise against writing an article about a person on trial, before they are convicted or exonerated. Andykatib 01:22, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename Auckland children's bodies found in suitcases to something more grammatical. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:27, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * A separate renaming discussion was started prior to this discussion at Talk:Auckland children bodies found in suitcases. Nurg (talk) 09:27, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * An extremely weak Keep - Without the 2023 coverage around the mother's arrest and pending trial, I'd say that this fails WP:NEVENT's guides on most points. As it is, I think it squeaks by on WP:DEPTH. WP:GEOSCOPE and WP:LASTING are total non-starters for this one, and it's too early to expect WP:DIVERSE. I could see a rational admin choosing either deletion or inclusion, but I'd lean toward the latter. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 18:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


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