Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Auditors of the Literary and Historical Society (University College Dublin)


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The result was   keep. JForget 00:36, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Auditors of the Literary and Historical Society (University College Dublin)

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List of auditors of a just notable university debating club, the reference is the clubs own website where this list rightly belongs. Delete. Codf1977 (talk) 14:50, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - contains a number of notable people, eg- Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh, 5th President of Ireland; Adrian Hardiman, Supreme court justice; Anthony Clare, psychiatrist & broadcaster; Gerard Stembridge, playwright, Dara Ó Briain, comedian. All of the above linked articles mention being auditor as part of their bio. I agree that the list needs work, but I do think that this is an encyclopaedic topic. Quasihuman (talk) 18:56, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
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 * Merge Just list the notable auditors at Literary and Historical Society (University College Dublin). It is beyond doubt that this position does not confer notability, and the listing of non-notable people (in my view) violates WP:BLP.--Mkativerata (talk) 07:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - How does the listing of non-notable people violate WP:BLP? I agree that the position does not confer notability, but WP:NNC says that notability guidelines do not directly limit article content. For example, see List of Provosts of Trinity College, Dublin for a list of people, all some of whom do not have articles themselves. I think that, while the position does not confer notability, it is itself notable. Quasihuman (talk) 09:27, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:BLPNAME and WP:NPF. These are ordinary punters and there's no good reason for us to have information on them. --Mkativerata (talk) 09:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * These are not just ordinary punters, these are people who stood for and were elected to the position of auditor, their election was probably covered in the various university media. Auditor of the L&H is a public position within the university, and is one of the most prominent student positions. 193.1.172.195 (talk) 11:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC) (I just realised that I wasn't logged in, to avoid accusations of sock puppetry, I am User:Quasihuman


 * Keep - The L&H Society is a highly notable institution acknowledged as the most competitive of its kind in Ireland or Britain. Even James Joyce attemped to become auditor (here, the term auditor does not denote an accounting function; it means something akin to chairperson). Most L&H auditors have later had highly distinguished careers in Irish and international society. The position of auditor of this society is practically a marker of future distinction. One comment above states that the list belongs at the original UCD website, but that PDF file does not provide links to existing Wikipedia articles about people on the list, which is why this wikified version is needed. People listed are the very opposite of "ordinary punters" alleged above; they could hardly be less ordinary. Perhaps they were simply not recognised by the person who made that remark. Citations of WP:BLPNAME and WP:NPF are wildly off-target and misapplied in this instance because no privacy is violated as alleged, and the people are very well known. It is alleged too that there was violation of WP:BLP but this was claimed without a shred of substantiation, and is wrong. The argument that "It is beyond doubt that this position does not confer notability" is simply not true. Most holders of the position go on to highly visible and notable social distinction: that is the very reason the list is of such interest and value. More wikilinks will be embedded as I and others find more Wikipedia articles about people on the list; some people have already been improving the list since it was proposed for deletion: the list has just been newly uploaded and is a work in progress. It needs time to reach its potential and proposal for deletion is premature. BMFMKJA (talk) 02:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I have found an article in the Irish Independent from December 22, 1956 which I think is relevant to the discussion, it is available from www.irishnewsarchive.com here. The relevant quote is below:

""When one comes to the auditors who still flourish one could muster a powerful array of the judiciary or trust one's fate to a team of eminent surgeons; their names figure large in Government and Opposition. Very many more now hidden in the recesses of Government offices or county halls are contributing their share to making or easing the taxpayers' burden or its twin structure that goes by the name of the ratepayers' load. Some, very probably, are now bestowing a proper professional frown upon doings of which they in their callow youth set the pattern.""
 * Quasihuman (talk) 12:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: - This is unquestionably a notable society, as are its auditors. Perhaps it seems obscure to non-Irish editors but Irish ones will recognise it and its notability straight away. There was another relevant quote at the beginning of the article cited above by Quasihuman: 'The claim made by one of the contributors to this book that the Literary and Historical Society of University College Dublin was "the nursery of the statesmen of the new Ireland of the future" is so near the truth that the exaggeration will be readily forgiven' (my italics). Medhbh (talk) 19:25, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per the efforts of Quasihuman in finding WP:RS that show {{WP:N]] (some unaccessible to me but I AGF based on the titles and dates), but please give it a meaningful WP:LEAD asap! I'm not sure that every Tom, Dick and Harry should be named, but that's an article issue, not a deletion issue. Bigger digger (talk) 01:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per Quasihuman. - Ret.Prof (talk) 11:48, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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