Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Auli'i Cravalho (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sarahj2107 (talk) 10:23, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Auli'i Cravalho
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Only notable for one film and does not meet WP:NACTOR.--Fastester (talk) 08:07, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep As discussed in the previous AfD nomination, an actor can meet WP:NACTOR if they have a a large fan base or a significant "cult" following. While it is hard to say whether Auli'i's fan base in the long term will be large, the success so far of the film in which she plays the protagonist, combined with the fact her page has received 247,632 pageviews in the 13 days since the film premiered in the USA and Canada, suggests there is a large following of her/significant interest in her from people who have heard or seen about the film.

The last AfD for this article ran for around three weeks* from 1st October, resulting in a keep verdict. As the film has been out for such a short period of time, I am not sure how much can be added to the previous discussion. Thanks for opening this up for discussion Fastester (talk) - though I am a bit confused as to what your vote was for? I presume "delete" but could be "merge"? :-) EmWinn (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:44, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

- * my mistake, sorry - originally said four weeks but just checked and it closed on the 19th EmWinn (talk) 11:43, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep She at least meets WP:MUSICBIO. "How Far I'll Go" is on the Billboard Hot 100. Hang googles (talk) 09:50, 7 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep She voices the lead in a huge Disney film that has been number 1 at the box office in the US for two weeks straight. Her Wikipedia page has been viewed an average of 15,000/day over the past 20 days.--Bernie44 (talk) 23:01, 7 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment What EmWinn said-it hasn't been that long since I first nominated this article for deletion, I'm afraid we will simply have a repeat of the first nomination, and to be honest I don't have very much new to bring to the table. Most of the arguments against deletion in the first nomination didn't seem to be rooted in any policy, but there must have been some other strength to them since it was decided consensus was to keep the article. Also, I'm not so sure Cravalho still fails WP:NACTOR at this point given the significance of the role. Sro23 (talk) 21:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment I think it's a fair point to note that Neel Sethi's article was deleted. I might be in favour of a merge with the Moana article.  That being said, while I understand Wikipedia has standards to uphold, I personally believe the presence of a short bio can beg for additional edits over time, simply because they don't contain as much notable or verifiable information as may be available.  It would be disappointing to see a new and very notable Polynesian voice actress not be as thoroughly sourced as possible on Wikipedia... although at this point, because of the attributes which might make her notable outside of her role as an entertainer, the article could come off as biased or promotional.  As it stands, cursory google searches and IMDB lookups are more informative than Wikipedia for both Neel Sethi and Auli'i.  Meanwhile, I occasionally encounter pages that ARE obviously promotional, but remain neutral and informative enough to pass Wikipedia's guidelines.  I guess my overall point here is that both of these people are notable enough to have their own pages (IMO), but whether or not there's enough notable, citable information about them is another story.  Could be a lack of effort on the part of volunteers, which is understandable and is a thing that can happen. Pritchard 06:55, 12 December 2016 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAdventMaster (talk • contribs)


 * Keep. Peter Ostrum has a page and he was only in one film. Iwalters (talk)
 * I remember this same argument was also in the first nomination. Well, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Sro23 (talk) 00:36, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * If you are going to use that argument, then Neel Sethi was in one of the biggest films of the year and was the only one in the main cast to have an onscreen role, unlike Auli'i who only had a voice-over, and he had his page deleted.--Fastester (talk) 11:03, 10 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep I am most persuaded by Bernie44's argument about passing the inclusion guidelines for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:59, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep I see multiple reasons, including WP:MUSICBIO. In addition, I'd like to comment that a very recent previous AfD was filed and while I know we don't have double jeopardy, this was literally discussed four weeks ago and the summary was "keep". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ogress (talk • contribs) 18:10, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep - A LOT of coverage by reliable sources, and, at the end of the day, it's the sources that count.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 03:10, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep For the reasons persuasively discussed above, especially by User:3family6, User:Bernie44, and User:Johnpacklambert. --Coolcaesar (talk) 01:18, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly notable per WP:MUSICBIO, and I believe she meets point 3 in WP:NACTOR. Easy keep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexEng (talk • contribs) 06:18, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


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