Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurant, California


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:06, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Aurant, California

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I live nearby and have never heard of this "unincorporated community". It appears that the name is only used in association with a rail yard that is now used for storage of corn syrup cars. At one point in its history, it might have been a railroad station of some sort based on the very old hits I'm seeing on Google Books. I'm a geography inclusionist, but this one seems really dubious. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:24, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Some further research shows that Aurant was a station on the Southern Pacific railroad (see figure 14 here).  This article specifically notes that the building of the Southern Pacific Railroad in El Sereno in the late 1800s did not spur development in the area. Development came with a completely different railroad that followed Huntington Drive, in a different part of El Sereno.  As of this 1966 map (see also 1994 update), Aurant seems to have been a railyard with a few commercial/industrial buildings nearby. Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:07, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. Per nom. Consensus seems to be that any place listed in GNIS is notable, but consensus can change. So here's to hoping it does. Yilloslime T C  05:00, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Consensus is that these places are notable, and if you want to change that, the solution is not to stealthily pick them off one by one, it's to start a policy discussion. Smartyllama (talk) 13:45, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep A similar nomination might be given by Clinton Township, Michigan residents of Cady, Michigan. However this would not change the fact that for 100 years it regularly appeared on maps, and its past existence has an influence on even the present development of the area just north of Fraser.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:21, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree that facts about Clinton Township, Michigan are at all relevant to a discussion about Aurant, California. As noted above, the building of the Southern Pacific Railroad (and the Aurant stop) did not drive development in El Sereno. Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:07, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge and Redirect to El Sereno, Los Angeles. Any place listed in GNIS is NOT de-facto notable. I have successfully deleted many trailer parks whose names made it into GNIS. A better article about a trailer park with hundreds of current residents could probably be made than about this rail yard, but neither is notable. It should just be mentioned as a location in the article about the area it lies within. MB 17:17, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:09, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  Unscintillating (talk) 23:04, 3 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep As per, strikers derailed a train at "Aurant station", with this newspaper article saying, "Los Angeles, July 11 [1894].— After the first show of lawlessness last night, both Federal and railroad officials were greatly agitated today and a new line of action had to be pursued."  Unscintillating (talk) 23:47, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Are all train stations necessarily notable? (Genuine question.) I accept that there was a train station called Aurant station, but I'm not sure that means we need an article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:11, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * What I think is that we should accept the GNIS as a verifiable authority for a point of reference of a location that is recorded as part of 1894 history. This 1894 article is enough to see that Aurant station was the center of 1894 news that affected people from San Francisco to Arizona.  This wasn't the only reference I saw, as there is a 1924 request from Union Pacific to build a spur, and a 1928 analysis about lowering the roadbed out of Aurant for 2 1/2 miles to get the grade down to 1%.  We see someone chatting about Aurant yard as an active rail yard in 1984.  There was also mention of an El Sereno historical society.It would be lovely to know the origin of the name "Aurant".  Unscintillating (talk) 03:23, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I found that "Aurant" is already mentioned in the encyclopedia, so I wikilinked it. Unscintillating (talk) 03:23, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * As for your question, I am aware that WP:RAILOUTCOMES states, "Existing heavy rail stations on a main system...are generally kept at AfD." Perhaps someone from Wikiproject Trains can provide a better answer.  Unscintillating (talk) 03:23, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. Per Wikipedia's remit as a gazetteer as detailed in the Five Pillars, geographic locations that are verifiable are considered notable. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:46, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep living nearby doesn't means you must heard about everything nearby before it is included in Wikipedia; see WP:NOTTRUTH. Also whether unincorporated or not, this is verifiable community and should be kept and be improved per WP:GEOLAND –Ammarpad (talk) 05:01, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


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