Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Australia-Indonesia Prisoner Exchange Agreement (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:05, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Australia-Indonesia Prisoner Exchange Agreement
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Again, I'm trying to get rid of this page. There is no such treaty, I see no news reports of current progress or negotiations towards such a treaty. When I nommed once before, some stuff got added about Australia's general policy towards international exchange of prisoners, not really to the point. Sure, there might be such a treaty someday, but WP:CRYSTAL. Time to make an end of this article. Wehwalt (talk) 13:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  —94.196.56.183 (talk) 15:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions.  —94.196.56.183 (talk) 15:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. The ongoing negotiations regarding this treaty have been widely reported and over many years, and I would have thought, of interest to a great number of people.   Perhaps the title needs fixing, but that's trivial. Djanga 07:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You got a cite on that to show it is "ongoing"?--Wehwalt (talk) 12:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No I haven't, my bad. Word struck.  Djanga 12:47, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. The legacy of this article is indeed unfortunate - laboriously produced by one of Wikipedias most over productive and enthusiastic returning banned user/sockpuppet creators - however despite David's starting this article it is valid article concerning an on-going and valid historical process which is well documented - and as a consequence of importance to both the Indonesian and Australian projects. I agree with Djanga in that perhaps the title could be changed - but the process of discussion between the two neighbouring countries is something that is also an important barometer of the relationship - and is a notable and valid interaction deserving of an article SatuSuro 09:43, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per the above two editors, but rename to Proposed Australia-Indonesia prisoner exchange agreement or Australia-Indonesia prisoner exchange agreement negotiations or something similar to make it clear that this isn't in place. Nick-D (talk) 09:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Any negotiations are completely stalled, progress is WP:CRYSTAL. WWGB (talk) 09:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there any updated info on this? --Merbabu (talk) 12:16, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notability is not temporary, and this was clearly notable while it was being negotiated. JulesH (talk) 13:51, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Citing what reliable sources say is fine. It's only when Wikipedians or unreliable sources are speculating that we've got problems. Andjam (talk) 11:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


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