Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Australian National Judo Championships


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The result was   Nomination withdrawn LibStar (talk) 00:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Australian National Judo Championships

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fails WP:GNG. 1 gnews hit. also under WP:NOTSTATS, just a sprawling list of results of little encyclopaedic value. LibStar (talk) 05:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
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 * Keep Clearly the national championships of an Olympic sport is an encyclopedic topic. Tests such as Google News searches are pretty pointless in my opinion and quite frankly the lazy man's AfD argument. Believe it or not, the world contains much more than Google knows. NOTSTATS does not apply here either for the simple reason that the article is not a table of statistics! It is a table listing the winners of events and it is not indiscriminate - there are clear criteria for inclusion. The article is clearly referenced and I can't see a valid reason for deletion.WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a valid reason for deletion. Having said all that, the article could be improved and some context added but we don't delete articles simply because they need improvement. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 21:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * besides your argument of inherently notable and the value of google news did you find third party sources covering this championship, did you actually look? LibStar (talk) 01:12, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

"Judo teams will held carnival. (1952, October 31). The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848-1954), p. 12. Retrieved October 23, 2010, from http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article23218249"
 * Keep National competition thats been running since 1958(possibly 1952), unfortunately GNEWS deals with only recent events and its still not comprehensive, The article is about "Australian National Judo Championships" what one needs to do is to look for alternative names as it wasnt always called that, take for example the 1952 report in The Argus, The Argus was a newspaper published in Malbourne from 1848 thru to 1957 its not going to be on GNEWS indexing, but it is on TROVE, though it quotes the first national competition being in Melbourne in 1952, there another 5300 references on trove I've yet sort thru feel free to help. Also Picture Australia has photographs from 1960 event in Leichhardt NSW, but there not PD so we cant add them. Gnangarra 04:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep It certainly seems like this event should easily be notable--it's the national championship for the organization recognized by the International Judo Federation. The problem was that my search turned up far fewer references than I would have guessed--mainly local papers saying that so-and-so (overwhelmingly kids) did well at the tournament.  The only good source I found was an article from the November 1968 issue of Black Belt magazine.  Perhaps someone with better access to Australian papers will have better luck. Papaursa (talk) 14:09, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I would support a summary of this article being put into Judo in Australia. unfortunately that article does not exist. LibStar (talk) 12:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * comment That might work but there's no other articles of style Judo in xxx, that proposal is about the creation of a whole new structure of articles even then this would be legitimate daughter article of such a structure and it complimentary to the current structure of Judo articles which focus on events. There also no article Judo Federation of Australia so its an area of knowledge that is currently significantly under developed. Gnangarra 13:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep This is the national championship of an Olympic sport.  It is fully referenced. The results of a national sporting championship are worthy of Encyclopedic reference, especially one that has been in continuous existence for more than 50 year.  I don't see how this is WP:GNG.  It contains no 'stats', rather, it contains 'results'.  It is a reference list where a person can find information on who-won-what-when - and that surely is the basis of what an encyclopedia is all about.  Winners who have their own entries are cross-referenced.  Should it be included in a broader article?  Perhaps, but I know of no authoritative study on Judo in Australia and 'original research' is specifically prohibited by WP. Peter phelps (talk) 08:28, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
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