Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Australian nationalism


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) sst✈  05:27, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Australian nationalism

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Looks like failing WP:GNG Arthistorian1977 (talk) 16:05, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. North America1000 17:40, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment This seems an odd deletion rationale: can you please outline the search of references you conducted to support such a claim? There's a strong case to delete the article for having no substantive content at present though. Nick-D (talk) 00:11, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Articles like this should be submitted to WP:AFC to get improved as userspace drafts. The topic "Australian nationalism" should be a noteworthy primary topic. I've left a note on WP:AUSTRALIA talk. -- Callinus (talk) 00:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Given that nationalism is a pretty spongy concept, is difficult to imagine this article growing into anything cohesive, let alone NPOV (three of the four references are op-eds). While it may be theoretically possible to create a "Nationalism in" article for any country past or present, I think this should only be done on the basis of a strong evidence base. That said, more material on Australian identity at Australians, perhaps based on the Skwirk source. Mqst north (talk) 03:05, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Nationalism is actually a major theme in Australian political history: over 19th and 20th centuries the independent colonies decided to unite to form a nation, and that nation eventually decided to cut most of the formal ties to the United Kingdom (for instance, in regards to foreign and military policy and the role of British legal fora in the Australian legal system) and become effectively independent. Nick-D (talk) 04:07, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Userfy - the topic seems like it ought to be notable, but the article at this time isn't cutting it. It looks like a first draft, so I propose making it one to allow more time to flesh it out. clpo13(talk) 08:15, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as there is sufficient evidence of notability of this topic. clpo13(talk) 17:06, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, as has been pointed out above by User:Nick-D, nationalism in its various forms has actually been a pretty important undercurrent in Australian history, from the events that shaped Federation, and beyond. I think that a good quality article could be written on this, and I have a fair few dead tree sources on my shelf as it is, it should be simple to find them online as well.  Remember, there is no deadline and no article is a finished product, and being a stub is itself no reason for deletion.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:30, 5 March 2016 (UTC).
 * To extend, here are a few sources I've found on the topic:
 * It took me more time to format the templates above than to find these whole books written on the subject. I'm genuinely baffled on what sort of searches User:Arthistorian1977 did before deciding this topic didn't meet the GNG.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:36, 5 March 2016 (UTC).
 * Keep: Though the article is not currently good, it's also newly created, not quite in a state to require TNT, and the subject clearly meets GNG. Add, as another source. Really, though, most books on Australian politics deal with nationalism and/or "national identity" to some degree. As Nick-D notes, it's a major theme: for instance pre-federation Eureka Stockade and its Eureka Flag, The Yellow Peril, the development of Anzac Day post-WW1 as a "sacred day", and the rise of the White Australia Policy... through to more recent times with such things as ongoing debates over multiculturalism and immigration, the term Un-Australian, the History wars, love it or leave it, and explicitly nationalist political parties such as One Nation and Reclaim Australia.  undefinedHydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)  07:24, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It took me more time to format the templates above than to find these whole books written on the subject. I'm genuinely baffled on what sort of searches User:Arthistorian1977 did before deciding this topic didn't meet the GNG.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:36, 5 March 2016 (UTC).
 * Keep: Though the article is not currently good, it's also newly created, not quite in a state to require TNT, and the subject clearly meets GNG. Add, as another source. Really, though, most books on Australian politics deal with nationalism and/or "national identity" to some degree. As Nick-D notes, it's a major theme: for instance pre-federation Eureka Stockade and its Eureka Flag, The Yellow Peril, the development of Anzac Day post-WW1 as a "sacred day", and the rise of the White Australia Policy... through to more recent times with such things as ongoing debates over multiculturalism and immigration, the term Un-Australian, the History wars, love it or leave it, and explicitly nationalist political parties such as One Nation and Reclaim Australia.  undefinedHydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)  07:24, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: Though the article is not currently good, it's also newly created, not quite in a state to require TNT, and the subject clearly meets GNG. Add, as another source. Really, though, most books on Australian politics deal with nationalism and/or "national identity" to some degree. As Nick-D notes, it's a major theme: for instance pre-federation Eureka Stockade and its Eureka Flag, The Yellow Peril, the development of Anzac Day post-WW1 as a "sacred day", and the rise of the White Australia Policy... through to more recent times with such things as ongoing debates over multiculturalism and immigration, the term Un-Australian, the History wars, love it or leave it, and explicitly nationalist political parties such as One Nation and Reclaim Australia.  undefinedHydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)  07:24, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:32, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Topic is clearly notable, although serious contemporary consideration is found onder phrasing link "Australian national identity" which immediately produces dispositive scholarly and general circulation sources.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:59, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep – An historical topic that passes WP:GNG. In addition to the book sources listed above by, many more are easily found, a few of which I have listed below: , , , , . Note that per WP:NEXIST, topic notability is based upon source availability, rather than the state of sourcing in articles. North America1000 19:08, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep. Article of immense encyclopedic importance that clearly meet WP:GNG. The rationale for deletion is worrisome and not a good one to me. In addition, the nomination lack WP:BEFORE. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 19:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep As per keep comments above. Aeonx (talk) 07:01, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep We can all dislike nationalism a lot. We can all oppose it. But it has clearly been a significant and noteworthy element of Australian politics. No serious or credible reason to delete. AusLondonder (talk) 11:42, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


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