Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Autism (symptom)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Can be restored for the purpose of merging to History of schizophrenia or elsewhere if there is consensus among that article's editors to do that.  Sandstein  18:57, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Autism (symptom)

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Roughly translated from Russian, lacks WP:MEDRS and advances an evidently idiosyncratic (or at least archaic) usage. I turned it into a redirect but that was reverted because much of the material is not in the autism article. Yes, there's a reason for that... Guy (Help!) 09:23, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * delete though I had placed it here upon looking at Guy's rationale, it might be best to start over(and therefore delete)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:14, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * keep - but with relevant improvement tags. The redirect was reverted not only because the content was not on target page but the page is a different concept - autism as a symptom of schizophrenia - and this gets over five million hits on google so clearly not an idiosyncratic or archaic concept.--Iztwoz (talk) 11:26, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually "autism as a symptom of schizophrenia" gets seven google hits, just 4,999,993 short of what you claim. It clearly is both an idiosyncratic and archaic concept. --RexxS (talk) 23:30, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * See . There are plenty of research works on this topic. Understanding Autism in Schizophrenia, The Scientific World Journal, 2012, Schizophrenic Autism, The Oxford Handbook of Phenomenological Psychopathology, Schizophrenic autism: clinical phenomenology and pathogenetic implications, World Psychiatry, 2002 and so on. – Лорд Алекс (talk) 14:07, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Now do a search for "Schizophrenic autism", publication type = review on PubMed and note that you only get one result.
 * Better yet, search Trip Medical Database for "schizophrenia autism". Exactly zero secondary sources. The same for "autism in schizophrenia". And guess how many secondary sources we get for "autism as a symptom of schizophrenia"? That's right. We don't build articles on primary research, and there's nothing here that can be built on, nor that wouldn't be better placed in History of schizophrenia. --RexxS (talk) 15:09, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename as "Autism as symptom of schizophrenia" which is what this article is about. Vorbee (talk) 15:43, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 18:43, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Psychology-related deletion discussions. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 18:43, 23 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete If anything, the nominator's statement "lacks WP:MEDRS" understates the severity of the problem. Medicine is a subject where garbled statements of archaic ideas can be actively harmful. There's a way to write encyclopedically about how the understanding of schizophrenia developed historically, but this is not it. WP:TNT. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 18:52, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per XOR&#39;easter, this article's content could be harmful. signed,Rosguill talk 20:41, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as a notable concept from the earlier days of psychiatry. The demand for WP:MEDRS is completely out of place as the topic is in the history of medicine – we wouldn't, say, delete Bloodletting because there aren't enough double-blind placebo-controlled studies of its efficacy. – Uanfala (talk) 20:46, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The two cases are not analogous. The article on bloodletting makes its status and historical context clear. Autism (symptom) is a mess. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 21:02, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I was only commenting on notability; if there are problems with the quality of an article on a notable topic, then these should be addressed by means other than deletion. – Uanfala (talk) 21:07, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * We already have (at least) two articles that address the topic: Schizophrenia and History of schizophrenia. The latter, in particular, can be improved and expanded. This needs to be discarded. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 21:18, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * delete This page is a horribly confused mishmash of badly sourced sourced and should be removed from mainspace.  There is a brief mention of this in the Schizophrenia and there should be more in History of schizophrenia. Not this. Jytdog (talk) 20:53, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: Most of the content refers to an archaic usage of the term "autism" as a symptom of schizophrenia, ascribed to Eugen Bleuler. That belongs in the History of schizophrenia article, not in a stand-alone article where readers will arrive who are looking for "autism symptoms" only to be confused by what they find here. For me, it's fifth in the list when searching Wikipedia for "autism symptoms" and it ought to be ninety-fifth for all its relevance to the search term. --RexxS (talk) 23:30, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Strong delete just having this article confuses the issues around this term and introduces notions that do not fit with our current understanding.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:24, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Summarize and merge to History of schizophrenia As this is what the article is about. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 00:06, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.