Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ava Addams


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:03, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Ava Addams

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Fails even the lax standards of WP:PORNBIO, since scene nominations are excluded by the guideline text and "MILF" category nominations have been repeatedly rejected by prior AFD and DRV determinations as falling below the well-known/significant standard. Fails the GNG, no nontrivial GNews or GBooks hits, while the pop-culture namedrops are trivial, not the necessary substantive coverage. Just another porn performer BLP without reliably sourced biographical content. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 16:05, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete The community is quite clear that BLPs require reliable sourcing and that we cannot host inadequately sourced BLPs. PORNBIO is no longer widely accepted because it doesn't meet this standard and this doesn't even meet that lax standard. Spartaz Humbug! 18:34, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:54, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:55, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Actually, if MILF categories were truly rejected by the community, it would mention something about it in PORNBIO. The only exclusions that are listed are scene-related categories and ensemble categories alone.  Erpert  WHAT DO YOU WANT??? 06:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes both WP:PORNBIO and WP:ANYBIO. The AVN and XBIZ Awards are both well-known and significant awards and PORNBIO only excludes scene-related and ensemble categories. Consensus hasn't determined that MILF performer awards aren't notable, in fact, I think #2 of PORNBIO reinforces this categories importance. #2 of PORNBIO states "has made unique contributions to a specific pornographic genre", in this case, MILF pornography. The AVN and XBIZ MILF categories have no more than 15 nominees each year, and it's usually the same performers over and over again. Out of perhaps hundreds or even thousands of older female performers in the entire industry active in the MILF genre, being one of the 15 each year to be nominated is evidence that this performer has made unique contributions to this specific pornographic genre, especially if they are nominated more than once and by different ceremonies. And also, let me remind you all that PORNBIO isn't defunct and while it may be tagged as disputed, this discussion has been inactive for two months. PORNBIO is a valid guideline and Ava Addams passes it. Rebecca1990 (talk) 10:03, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sure thats the joy of WP:PORNBIO! An article "Fails the GNG, has no nontrivial GNews or GBooks hits, while the pop-culture namedrops are trivial, not the necessary substantive coverage." and be "Just another porn performer BLP without reliably sourced biographical content".  I agree its currently too lax but at the moment she passes. Finnegas (talk) 20:44, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:22, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.