Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ava Inferi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   No consensus. -- VS talk 08:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Ava Inferi

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Non notable portuguese band. No independent reliable sources prove its notability. Deleted twice on pt-wiki: pt:Wikipedia:Páginas para eliminar/Ava Inferi and pt:Wikipedia:Páginas para eliminar/Ava inferi. Tosqueira (talk) 07:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletion discussions.   —Tosqueira (talk) 07:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   —Tosqueira (talk) 07:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, passes WP:MUSIC with two releases on the notable Season of Mist label, and features the notable Rune Eriksen, now ex-member of Mayhem. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 12:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete does not pass WP:MUSIC: It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable. That is not true, the article is almost completely unsourced and has no good verifiable third party sources. --Banime (talk) 16:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Criterion 5 of WP:MUSIC states Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)., which would certainly include Season of Mist. I agree sources are needed but AfD is not cleanup. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * But it's not an independent source. Tosqueira (talk) 15:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How is that relevant to the notability criterion in question? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * See: Notability. Sources should be "independent of the subject", which "excludes works produced by those affiliated with the subject including (but not limited to): self-publicity, advertising, self-published material by the subject, autobiographies, press releases, etc.". A record label is not a independent source. Also, acording to Notability we need secondary sources. A record label is still a primary source. Tosqueira (talk) 18:03, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep as per notable member of the band (Rune Eriksen). If not for that, this would be a good candidate for deletion. Hús  ö  nd  23:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * DeleteAs per nominator and Banime. Rune Eriksen's presence is not enough to give this notability-by-association, and the fact it was twice deleted by the Portuguese Wikipedia crowd should give the Anglophonic community a clue that this doesn't belong here. Ecoleetage (talk) 01:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete IMHO it seems to be only a non-notable (no WP:RS and no WP:IS) side project. Tosqueira (talk) 02:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, is a notable band per WP:MUSIC and WP:MUSIC. -- Amalthea Talk 00:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.