Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avans Hogescholen

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was nomination withdrawn by nominator following the establishment of notability.. Thanks.

Avans University (page still at Dutch name Avans Hogescholen)
Non-notable, delete. Neutralitytalk 20:27, May 15, 2005 (UTC) NOMINATION WITHDRAWN. Neutralitytalk 22:27, May 17, 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. Verifiable and NPOV.  Double Blue  (Talk) 21:22, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, verifiable and NPOV. Presumably a high school, and thus highly notable too. Kappa 22:06, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Or keep even more if it's a university. Kappa 23:58, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. ESkog 22:21, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep this obscure university, as Wikipedia already has thousands of articles on obscure universities. Consensus has been that institutions of tertiary education, even obscure ones, are inherently notable. Uppland 23:35, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. As noted by others above fits the criteria put up by Jimbo Wales for keeping an article on Wikipedia: verifiable & NPOV  --AYArktos 00:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Article fails to establish notability. It's so non-verifyable that even the inclusionists can't tell if it's a high-school or a university. Gmaxwell 00:58, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Being an inclusionist doesn't automatically make one fluent in Dutch or whatever. Kappa 02:07, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * There's a certain language difficulty here but my inclination is it's a hybrid of high school and university, perhaps like the CEGEPs in Quebec. Double Blue  (Talk) 03:08, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. A university in the Netherlands. 18000 students.  Created by the merger of two smaller facilities.  Needs a cleanup, not delete. --Unfocused 03:27, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I have made a redirect at the English name and added it above to make clear what kind of institution this is (although the Dutch name actually seems to be Avans Hogeschool, in the singular). A hogeschool in Dutch is a false friend for English-speakers; it is an institution of tertiary education, i.e. the equivalent of a college or university, just as its cognates in German, Danish, Swedish and Norwegian. I would be grateful if the delete-voters clarified whether they think non-notability should be a deletion criterium in the case of tertiary institutions or if they just misunderstood the name of the institution. Uppland 05:12, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, cleanup and expand. Notable. Megan1967 06:18, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Expand. Good stub. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 06:19, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Useless collection of generic facts about an insignificant school. This is not an encyclopedia article. Individual schools are not inherently encyclopedic and there is nothing to distinguish insignificant schools like this one from thousands of nearly identical schools around the world. Gamaliel 07:12, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into 's-Hertogenbosch and delete - Skysmith 09:14, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Certainly notable when compared to thousands of articles about US high schools and colleges. Martg76 11:22, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, needs expansion. -- Lochaber 12:05, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, obviously. --Zero 13:05, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep if "Hogeschool" translates into American English as "University". --Carnildo 17:36, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep The worst of the lot. Oliver Chettle 19:27, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Are the high-school deletionists out to remove universities too now? --Zantastik 19:50, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. A University with 18,000 students is notable. Jayjg (talk) 21:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * If it's an actual university, then of course it must be keep. --Calton | Talk 03:47, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Pardon me for being slightly OT but is anyone here related to the place? If so, you might tell them that I'd like to stick a clear-up tag on the university's own website, for miscellaneous misdemeanors in web design. The main page in Dutch won't display in Konqueror (even the DOCTYPE is wrong), there's a lot of pointless Flash gimmickry, and there's little content. -- Hoary 09:20, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
 * I couldn't agree more - it took me some effort to work out any meaningful content from the web site and it didn't display in Mozilla either.--AYArktos 10:32, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep.JuntungWu 12:39, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, verifiable. -- Arwel 12:45, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's both verifiable and written in an NPOV way. Notability isn't a deletion criterion. Also, all teritary institutions were judged worthy of inclusions years ago. James F. (talk) 12:54, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity. Radiant_* 13:46, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. Since when did colleges and universities get caught up in the massive deletion of schools?  An American school with these qualifications would be kept;  let's not have double, anglophile standards.  --BaronLarf 19:51, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
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