Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avant Garde Digital


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. We will sometimes apply the standards for notability flexibly in India and other countries where documentation is hard to come by, but it seems clear that this company does not meet the standards at this time, and the purpose of the article was admittedly promotional. I urge the contributor not to take this as an example of geographic bias, but rather as instruction in the need to make sure there are adequate references for notability before writing an article. I hope thye'll continue to contribute.  DGG ( talk ) 05:00, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Avant Garde Digital

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Contested prod. Indian web development company. Article made a claim to notability based on being the largest "pure technology company by revenue" in Shimla. This claim was originally backed by a reference to a travel guide, which did not mention that company at all. The company's website uses Lorem Ipsum text. There are no reliable third-party sources indicating notability. GabrielF (talk) 02:25, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Dear sir/madame: Iam a local writer in the area trying to improve the visibility as shimla is a small town. I just contacted the company in shimla and they have mentioned that the new website is being launched, and therefore there is placeholder text. Also usually the newspapers mentioned are not available online. Notability among local area is an important and healthy element. It is proposed that the article not be deleted. I have also found out that one of the companies employees added the extra text which has been now removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realanirudh373 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - We don't do placeholders. If there is no supporting text or stuff on the net, no sources, and nothing notable about it available to use, it goes, period.  Put it back when the company are up and running, until then, no.  BarkingFish  15:03, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:59, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete No evidence that this company has achieved any notability to date. AllyD (talk) 23:23, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * DO NOT DELETE Notability is in local newspapers, and local media. Just because its not online or not in english does not mean that the company is not noted in the local media. Wikipedia should have local as well as international content. Just because its not available on the web does not mean its not notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.28.66.227 (talk) 20:04, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does have international content. But local newspapers are not classed as reliable sources, and a local newspaper which isn't in English makes it much harder to confirm as reliable, or verifiable. Produce the evidence of notability in English, and we'll have a go.  BarkingFish  20:14, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will produce the content soon which will be both verifiable and independent. Is there a timeline to this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.28.66.227 (talk) 15:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Here is the reference This is the only local english based newspaper and they were recently in the office for "Tax break in India for small and medium IT firms". This newspaper is in English, they have reporters and editors and only cover hard hitting news articles. http://hillpost.in/2012/03/02/small-and-medium-it-firms-seek-tax-exemptions/ Please add this reference and remove the deletion notice.  Also, there is no placeholder text on the website.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realanirudh373 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Unfortunately the Hill Port coverage is essentially a passing quotation from the firm's director in the context of a piece on small to medium sized enterprises. The firm is described as "a Shimla based digital services company with a production office in Chandigarh and a sales office in Toronto, Canada". That falls short of the needs of WP:CORPDEPTH. AllyD (talk) 19:02, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Your comment is truncated Can you please add the full comment? What falls short of the need of? The company has a corporate office in Shimla. Thats what it said, they have employees there. Hill Post is the only english online newspaper that serves Shimla. As I mentioned rest of the papers are not in English... would you like Hindi Scans? You can get an interpreter to interpret them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.28.66.227 (talk) 15:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "That" is referring to the preceding quotation; WP:CORPDEPTH is a reference to Wikipedia's notability criteria. So "That falls short of the needs of  WP:CORPDEPTH." The source language is not the matter at issue here; it is whether there are sources which meet the "depth of coverage" specification in that policy. AllyD (talk) 21:26, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Clearly becoming a case of geographic imbalance This is now becoming clearly a case of geographic imbalance. Just because honorable members are not local to this area, does not mean that this is not a valid article. Quoting wikipedia, "The same is true about subjects only of interest to those in a single city, town, or region. People who live outside the area who have never visited there or done any research on the area will obviously be unlikely to have ever heard of them. But Wikipedia is not limited to subjects that everyone in the world knows or will have a good chance of knowing. Being a global encyclopedia, Wikipedia can cover a wide range of topics, many of them pertaining to the culture of a single country, language, or an ethnic group living in one part of the world. The people living in a single city or town and everything they have built around them are likewise a culture and society of their own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.28.66.227 (talk) 18:15, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's true IF the subject meets the criteria for notability, namely coverage in secondary sources. Such coverage does not appear to exist beyond a brief mention. GabrielF (talk) 21:37, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
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