Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avaya IP Phone 1140E


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep per improvements during the AfD. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:28, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Avaya IP Phone 1140E

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 * Delete. Non-notable product. Also, the article consist mainly of technical detail. WP should not be used a service manual. Not sure if this is relevant to the AfD but the article creator is blocked due to the use of sockpuppet accounts -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:31, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 21:49, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * keep but consider merging. Anyone who could use this as a service manual must be relying on imagination entirely, for these are merely the most general specifications. Too general even for an advertisement, but the reight amount of detail for an encyclopedia But in the normal course of things, such products are better merged into product classes  DGG ( talk ) 22:03, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * We don't see eye to eye on the notability of product articles DGG. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 08:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * An editor has added numerous articles about Avaya products to such as extent that it has collectively become SPAM. It has skewed the coverage of technology towards that company. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 09:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep 15,000 of these phones were the primary communication tools for all athletes and spectators at the 2010 Winter Olympics games.  I have also added additional content and many new citations, and cleaned up the page.Geek2003 (talk) 02:59, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There may have been 15,000 toasters, kettles, computers, stoves, fridges, washing machines, microwave ovens and heaters used by the athletes used as well. Shall we find out what those product were and create article for them? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:47, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above comment seems to be neither constructive nor relevant to the discussion. Due to the wide range of functionality that is in process of being documented here this phone was selected for this special high visibility occasion which makes this product relevant interesting and notable. Quite a bit more information is being added along with more references.  iPadWanderer (Contribs) 22:15, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I generally assume good faith but I am very suspicious of a new editor who only edits Avaya related article and jumps in to Avaya related AfDs. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 09:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a WP:Notable product with interesting features. Additional content is being added to this page to make it informative.  iPadWanderer (Contribs) 22:05, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * iPadWanderer is a suspected sockpuppet of Geek2003. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:48, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It was not Geek2003, but it did look bad that a new user started editing and jumped into this discussion after creating the account, but remember school just started a few weeks ago here in the US and that is a time when many new accounts are created and activities increase. Geek2003 (talk) 21:48, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep New refs WP:NOTABLE. -- LES 953 (talk) 18:29, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete As for WP:Articles for deletion/Avaya IP Phone 1120, this fails WP:MILL. It's a phone, there's lots of them. There's nothing significant or notable about this one model though. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:25, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Understand WP:MILL but no information/argument provided why this phone is not more notable than others. This phone is more notable than most if no all the other that I have compared to remove the automatic dismissal argument without comparison to other more notable phones.  This phone is much more notable than almost every one of the following phones, and most have been in existances for years without afd- requests. examples: Template:LG phones, Template:Motorola phones,  Template:Nokia phones, Template:Nokia 3G, Template:IPhone, Template:Sony Ericsson phones, Template:Samsung phones, Template:Sharp Corporation. Geek2003 (talk) 10:48, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Change to Keep OK, you've sold me. I think this article now has enough detail to support a claim that this model of phone represents a significant evolution of the "business desk phone" to be worthy of encyclopedic inclusion.
 * This may well involve some merging into an "Avaya IP 1100 series phones" article, because the technology in the range could be notable, but individual models still wouldn't cut it for stand-alone articles.
 * I'm not impressed by article quality though. Typos and Weird Capitalisation abound. The article also has poor readability. It fails to set out a clear proposition as to why this phone represents a new step in phone development. Remember you're writing for a lay audience here: "Bluetooth" isn't enough, it has to explain that Bluetooth is a simple wireless protocol, it's used for ear beads, it's novel to do this in a wired business phone although it's long-established for commonplace mobiles, and that it allows user's own ear beads to be used, not just Avaya 1100 series beads, and whether they can all co-exist in an office full of the things (now that would be fun to watch). Andy Dingley (talk) 11:17, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have started to remove the weird capitalization. Geek2003 (talk) 10:52, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Commentary – As an IT consumer of Wikipedia information however, not a contributor, IMHO diminishing content is detrimental to Wikipedia’s core principles (hardware and volunteerism are cheap and abundant) however mentoring is epidemically deficient. Intensifying coverage through article expansion and enhanced citations are critical to acceptance in academia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.255.193.127 (talk) 20:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep meets WP:V and WP:Notable product with the added Notable awards and installations with more citations and expanded further reading section. Geek2003 (talk) 21:48, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak delete I mostly favor merging these articles about an individual product into Avaya, but this one might be notable due to the award it won (or rather claimed to win - the link is to a Nortel PowerPoint, not to an independent source) and the few articles detailing its connection with the Olympics. If kept the article should be drastically cut down and all the how-to stuff deleted; Wikipedia is not a user's manual. --MelanieN (talk) 23:05, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep This article is not a product manual by any means. If I would want to know what the 1140e is all about this article would accomplish that. Bigtex 1 (talk) 14:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep This page has significantly improved and appears to be a WP:Notable product and has some innovative features, such as being able to take a Cell Phone Bluetooth headset adapter and use it with a VoIP phone. -- ManagementMan (talk) 21:54, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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