Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avaya Secure Router 2330


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Nobody on the "keep" side of things has provided any arguments more useful than WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and WP:ITSNOTABLE. Ironholds (talk) 20:21, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Avaya Secure Router 2330

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 * Delete. Non-notable product mostly referenced from its manufacturer. Also, WP is not a product catalogue. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:46, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Same as thousands of others. Just a quick check shows many other examples.
 * Cisco Products
 * Apple Products
 * Microsoft Products
 * IBM Products
 * Nokia Products   Geek2003 (talk) 13:16, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The fact that other stuff exists is not a valid AfD argument. Note that Apple,IBM and Microsoft products are rather more notable than this router. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 11:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep all known internationally, WP:NOTABLE product, informative pages for research. 38.127.152.10 (talk) 14:33, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Only passing mention in the two outside references, otherwise not independently referenced. Makes no claim of notability. --Pgallert (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 16:08, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Tag with Primary source LES 953 (talk) 23:01, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per lack of notable third-party mentions, media coverage in general. I didn't see anything that wasn't affiliated with company on both Google and Yahoo! searches. SwisterTwister   talk  23:41, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep You didn't look very hard, I just added several and will add more later when I get time. Geek2003 (talk) 02:49, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Only 1 vote is allowed. Bejinhan   talks   10:58, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep The Secure Router 2330 is widely deployed in unified branch applications. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ullapoolus (talk • contribs) 15:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * My model of toaster is widely deployed in kitchens throughout the world. Shall I write an article about it? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 11:38, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 *  Keep  I have added more content and 3rd citations so the products should now be WP:NOTABLE, WP:RS, WP:VERIFY. If you do not agree please identify and state what you think is wrong and please give me a detailed explanation of what I can do to help improve the page to meet the requirements. Geek2003 (talk) 03:15, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * only one vote is allowed. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:05, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * None of the references that I have looked at to date have been anything other than routine coverage (product release notes, etc). Is there a source or three in particular that is being held up as satisfying the general notability guide? - Aaron Brenneman (talk) 04:22, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and merge/expand into a general article on their routers, which would be the correct level of aggregation. Major products from major companies can be notable, but usually would be much better merged, especially as the information will otherwise be somewhat repetitive. None of the deletion arguments here give any indication why merging is unsuitable, and, according to WP:Deletion policy, merging is preferred over deletion. ~
 * So if I understand what you are asking, you would like to put all the Secure Routers on one page is that correct?  That page would contain many products, and would be a very big page.  How about if we group the Secure Routers like this:


 * Secure Router Series 8000 Page
 * Secure Router 8012
 * Secure Router 8008
 * Secure Router 8004
 * Secure Router 8002


 * Secure Router 4100, 3100, 2300 page
 * Secure Router 4134
 * Secure Router 3120
 * Secure Router 2330
 * Advanced Gateway 2330


 * Secure Router 1000 Series page
 * Secure Router 1004
 * Secure Router 1002
 * Secure Router 1001


 * Secure Router 200 Series page
 * Secure Router 252
 * Secure Router 222

Please let me know. Geek2003 (talk) 00:05, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.