Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avenue Beat


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The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:50, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Avenue Beat

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Advertisement of a Non-notable music group. Lack of reliable resources which are independent of the subject. I found only press releases coverage promoting the music group. Fails WP:NMUSIC, WP:GNG  D My Son  06:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete: falls far short of WP:NBAND. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 10:20, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Draftify or Delete: Looks like WP:TOOSOON. It doesn't yet hit the usual hints from WP:MUSICBIO that a band is permanently notable: Nobody has metioned any hit on a major national chart.  Billboard.com appears to be far too stupid to allow chart searches by name.  (And that criterion seems very broad anyway: Would breaking into #50 on the specialized Hot Country Songs count, or does this criterion mean a nation's unified/all-genre/broadest chart like the Hot 100?)  The band has no entry on the RIAA Gold/Platinum certification list.  Even presuming that Valory Music Co. counts as an "important indie label" by our standards, I think Avenue Beat has had only an EP or two released by Valory so far, not the two full albums that WP:MUSICBIO says would indicate more likely notable than not.  Someone on the article talk page mentioned that the song "F2020 is currently being played on iheart radio", and provided a now-playing screenshot for 9:03am (day unspecified) for 107.5 WRVW at Lebanon, Tennessee, which is an iHeart station in the Nashville market, but I don't know if that's a nationwide rotation mandate from iHeart. (Stations might still have local flexibility, and the WRVW article claims, unsourced, that Ryan Seacrest is the morning/noon host, and implies that it's specific to WRVW, which if true would make it an exceptional station.)  So I looked for major reliable sources for WP:SIGCOV: The Forbes.com article "Viral Lowkey F—k 2020 Song From Avenue Beat Now Streaming Despite TikTok’s Initial Removal" is a Forbes.com "Contributor" page (not regular Forbes magazine editorial control), so it doesn't really count: see WP:FORBES.  Other sources are marginal: They're well-known brand names, but that doesn't necessarily indicate reliability anymore; I can't tell whether they're editorially-controlled content (such as would go into the print edition) or less-controlled (which is very common nowadays); and they're facially independent of the subject, but they contain interview material, which appear to indicate a whole lot of press "availability" and not a lot of independent journalistic research, for what that's worth: "Too Much Togetherness? Three Bandmates in Avenue Beat Test Their Bonds by Quarantining Under One Roof" on People.com; "Avenue Beat's TikTok Song “F2020” Is a Hit for This Horrid Year" on teenvogue.com; "Hot country trio Avenue Beat sings brash, fun songs of empowerment" on Cleveland.com (Cleveland Plain Dealer website), written by a high school freshman as part of a Cleveland-area journalism partnership.  The sources on Google beyond that look to me to be mostly music promo/not-picky media outlets. --Closeapple (talk) 06:08, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as they do have articles on Billboard such as here and here as well as a staff written biography at AllMusic here, will look for more sources tomorrow, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:33, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Have found more reliable sources coverage such as Taste of Country here, another Taste of Country piece here, The Tennessean here, The New York Times here which is a short piece in singles of the week but it shows that they are getting national attention, and People here. Overall there is enough coverage to pass WP:GNG imv, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Adding another source from Buzzfeed here imv, Joelirby (talk) 2:56, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep More coverage here including Variety, Digital Journal, and Sounds Like Nashville. As stated above, I believe there is more than enough coverage to pass WP:GNG imv Joelirby (talk 8:14 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Most of the links you provided are the routine coverage that promotes the band and few are dead links. Still fails WP:GNG.  D My Son  04:32, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Full articles in publications such as Billboard are not routine and are a clear sign of national notability, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:28, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep as per above. PF4Eva (talk) 20:38, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 07:40, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - it's a little unclear because so much of the coverage is about the F2020 song such that there might be a better case for notability of that song, but there's more to say about the group and that comes out in the sources. in addition to this above, there's e.g. Rolling Stone &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 18:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I had the same concern when I went for draftify/delete above: Right now most of the coverage appears to be substantially about the song "F2020" specifically, and it seems that it covers the band itself only to the extent of the band summary (of questionable independence) and arranged interview that any song getting label promotion has. There seem to be a few articles about other songs, but following the same template. --Closeapple (talk) 04:48, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * There's easily enough coverage to pass WP:GNG identified in this discussion, you can't seperate an artist from their work in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per the above mentioned sources, clearly sufficient to pass WP:NMUSIC. Sounds Like Nashville, The Boot, Variety, and Billboard are all unquestionably reliable sources to convey notability. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:53, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Addressing comments about radio play above, MusicRow article here mentions that their song 'F2020' has been played globally by more than 70 pop stations. Two of those stations are Z100 in New York and KIIS in Los Angeles which shows a greater support across iHeart radio outside of the Nashville station mentioned above. I don't know if Spotify charts are considered, but the article also discusses placement at number six globally and number three in the US for Spotify Viral 50. I think both of these point to notability as far as WP:NMUSIC Joelirby 08:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


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