Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avetik Chalabyan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I've ignored the blathery, fawning walls of text.  Sandstein  18:45, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Avetik Chalabyan

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A page about a non-notable business consultant and activist. The sources cited are either not reliable or are not independent of the subject (e.g. the Kommersant article is written by the subject himself; the Armeniapedia page too appears to have been written by the subject; furthermore, many of the "sources" are the subject's employers' websites) or do not provide a significant coverage of the subject (e.g. the Sberbank article mentions the subject trivially). Also, clearly, a WP:PROMOTION. The information on this page belongs in LinkedIn. Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 10:37, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:19, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:19, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete a non-notable businessman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:42, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kpg  jhp  jm  12:50, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Avetik Chalabyan is a respected figure, who has always been involved in public life of Armenia. He constantly leads discussions on political modernization, economic development, national defense and security of Armenia. Some of his interviews are available at the following links.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0uG1kAEdqU&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6dcsW3WxMc&feature=youtu.behttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3smPlELhZLA&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRdaZBZYPWo&feature=youtu.behttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl3X3f1rew0&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddq5qaEXYrM&feature=youtu.behttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx_rIkj3VLA&feature=youtu.be

It is weird to see the demand for the deletion of Avetik Chalabyan's page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arag51 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 6 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I would note that the above user account was created on October 6, 2018 and its only contribution to wikiprojects is the above comment. --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 07:23, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Avetik Chalabyan is one of the most notable, non-political public figures in the Armenian society. His articles and interview appear regularly in most respected media and gain wide acceptance, his work for increasing servicemen security in the army has received the highest public attention recently. This comes on top of his prolific professional career - as a senior partner of McKinsey, he leads the global Metallurgical practice of the leading management consulting firm of the world, regularly publishes on cutting-edge business development topics, speaks on most prestigious global conferences. Below are some of the most recent appearances of Avetik Chalabyan

https://mediamax.am/en/column/12849/ https://mediamax.am/am/column/12827/ https://mediamax.am/am/column/12710/ https://mediamax.am/am/news/interviews/17014/ https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/metals-and-mining/our-insights/the-current-capacity-shake-up-in-steel-and-how-the-industry-is-adapting?cid=soc-web https://www.forumspb.com/programme/56957/#broadcast https://www.tert.am/am/news/2018/09/17/chalabyan/2793473 watch http://barev.today/news/avetchalabyan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alice Ananian (talk • contribs) 06:30, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Multiple interviews and speeches on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=avetik+chalabyan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVTSqir8q44&feature=share

I believe that the deletion discussion is completely inappropriate, and potentially has an aim to hurt publicly Avetik Chalabyan, whose rising visibility in post-revolution Armenian society creates anxiety in certain circles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alice Ananian (talk • contribs) 06:28, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The person commenting above appears to be affiliated with the foundation coestablished by the subject of the article, and her only contribution has been to the Avetik Chalabyan page. This and above comment show that the Wikipedia page is maintained by persons affiliated to the subject and is meant as a PR tool for a minor business consultant. As for the interviews and the columns published by the subject himself, they are not independent of the subject. If Avetis Chalabyan is a notable businessman, where are articles about him and his business in Armenian and Russian business publications? --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 07:35, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Avetik Chalabyan is not a businessman, he is a public figure. The sheer number of interviews he gives to various media, the interest to his figure is a good indicator alone that he is anything but minor. This footage shows Avetik Chalabyan leading an Artificial Intelligence technology panel at St Petersburg International Economic forum https://www.forumspb.com/programme/56957/#broadcast This footage is taken from Armenia-Diaspora forum, where Avetik Chalabyan was a keynote speaker at Nation-Army panel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVTSqir8q44&feature=share These articles are about Arar foundation and Avetik Chalabyan, fully independent of the subject https://mediamax.am/am/news/special-report/24862 https://mediamax.am/am/news/special-report/26640/ https://mediamax.am/am/news/special-report/24216

As for myself, I have left Repat Armenia Foundation, where Avetik Chalabyan was one of the trustees, three years ago, and have not had any business affiliation with him since then. In Repat Armenia, my exposure to him was very limited too, as trustees were not involved in the daily management of the Foundation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alice Ananian (talk • contribs) 09:16, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Need more !votes from experienced editors,  this only has comments from a SPA

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kpg  jhp  jm  12:47, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Support continuing discussion at least temporarily. I suggested to a (previously unknown to me) editor who requested my help as a general experienced WP editor: "...the best way is to find references to Chalabyan in other 'reliable sources', such as books, news articles, journals, etc., possibly in relation to the Arar Foundation or other things he is involved in. These could be in non-English languages. I did find this article on Horizon Armenian weekly's Canadian website." The Arar Foundation Arar Foundation's website (English version) lists Chalabyan as "Chairman of the Board of Trustees" and mentions "Previously, he has served as Head of the WTO Affairs Department at the Ministry of Economic Development of Armenia." Regards, Facts707 (talk) 15:36, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Avetik Chalabyan is a public figure, our compatriot who lives outside of Armenia, but is doing his best in contributing to his homeland's development. For years he has been a co-founder and active supporter of a number of important private initiatives that are focused on Armenia's socio-economic development, education and repatriation. He has been permanently giving interviews to online media and TV channels on a wide spectrum of Armenia's development agenda, strategic issues and opportunities. He has also been an active participant and official speaker of almost all! (17) "Imagine Armenia" forums (here is the link to the forum in Boston in 2017, where Avetik was one of the plenary session speakers and moderator) that were organized by RepatArmenia during the last five years in key Armenian diasporan communities to promote and introduce Diaspora's engagement opportunities for a wider audience. Over 90 speakers took part in them, over 4.000 Diasporan Armenians attended those events and over 150.000 people were following the events online.

Here is the link on one of the interviews with Avetik Chalabyan (starting form page #50) related to Armenian Diaspora's engagement in theRegionalPost Magazine's special edition dedicated to Repatriation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monte1975 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 8 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. Facts707, you're not the only one whose help the article creator has requested; she has canvassed a whole bunch of experienced editors and pleaded for "your vote as an experienced editor on Wiki" to "make sure it's not deleted". See her recent contributions. Alice Ananian, I'm sure you meant no harm, but we're not supposed to do that, as it can skew a deletion discussion. Please see WP:CANVASS. The plethora of references looks impressive at first sight. But a few references that were actually reliable, independent of the subject, not user-generated (like for instance Armeniapedia, a wiki) and not press releases would have been much better. This just looks like somebody has listed all the Google hits they could find, with no regard to our sourcing policy. I agree with the OP that the article is more like a promotional LinkedIn page than a biography in an encyclopedia. Bishonen &#124; talk 21:26, 8 October 2018 (UTC).
 * Keep Although "a major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject", the article seems to be interesting to read and sufficiently neutral to be useful after some improvements. I propose to keep and improve it instead of deleting it and then start from scratch. The subject is certainly notable enougn, to have an article. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 03:02, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I too have been canvassed by Alice Ananian - don't know why. I can't tell if this article warrants deletion or not, but if it stays it needs to be severely trimmed back. It is a massive puff piece as it stands, with a lot of citing of sources that do not look reliable and/or independent. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 08:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Looks like typical self-promotion to me. --Ghirla-трёп- 07:38, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello again fellow Wikipedians,

Thank you all for the feedback on the article so far. At this point, I'd like to ask what changes would help to improve the article? Editing for neutrality and reliable sources has been duly noted. Any other contributions would be much appreciated. (No harm was intended in canvassing WP editors.) Regards, Alice Ananian (talk) 09:33, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as unambiguous violation of policy (see WP:NOTPROMO), aggravated by apparent COI and clear disregard for volunteer editor time and attention (see WP:PAYTALK). Bakazaka (talk) 23:31, 13 October 2018 (UTC)


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