Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avtozavodsky City District


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. JHunterJ makes a valid WP:IAR argument (that it will assist navigation), but so far, that is not the current consensus on disambiguation pages. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 22:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Avtozavodsky City District

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Disambiguation page, delete per MOS:DABRL second paragraph. Guy0307 (talk) 19:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep That is a guideline, besides which, I count 3 blue links, so it doesn't apply. Also per reasoning at Talk:Avtozavodsky City District. - Kingpin13 (talk) 19:54, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is not a disambiguation page, it is a set index article (and is now tagged accordingly).  And honestly, it would take just as much effort to actually make these links blue as it did for setting up an AfD.  What a waste of others' time.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:45, July 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per Ezhiki. --Russavia Dialogue 20:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to Avtozavodsky. They fit in there and it's no risk that Avtozavodsky becomes too big. Geschichte (talk) 21:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Avtozavodsky is a dab page, so WP:MOSDAB applies to it.  Per this MOSDAB provision, on a page called Title, entries merely having Title as a part of the name should not be created.  Examples that follow include "Title County", "Title City", etc.  "Avtozavodsky City District" was split from "Avtozavodsky" exactly because the guidlines call for it.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 00:33, July 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.  —Thryduulf (talk) 22:06, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 23:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to Avtozavodsky. WP:MOSDAB does not preclude their inclusion there -- the linked articles refer to the districts as just "Avtozavodsky", so they should be dabbed by that name. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The articles do not refer to them simply as "Avtozavodsky"; "Avtozavodsky" in both cases is a part of the bulleted list, with each entry being preceded by "city district".  The full name of the entries would always be "Avtozavodsky City District".  Consider this—even if there were nothing else besides the districts to disambiguate on the "Avtozavodsky" dab (i.e., no metro stations and metro lines), we would still have the districts listed on the "Avtozavodsky City District" page, with "Avtozavodsky" being a redirect to them.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:10, July 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * I (and I think the "common name" policy) disagree. -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "Avtozavodsky City District" is the official name (well, in Russian, obviously). It (they) can be (and usually are) referred to as "Avtozavodsky District" colloquially, and as "Avtozavodsky" only when it is crystal clear from the context that the city district is meant.  If the official name were just "Avtozavodsky", the links would be to "Avtozavodsky (city district)", not to "Avtozavodsky City District".  Hopefully this clarifies my argument above.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:10, July 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I crossed off the last sentence as it's not compliant with this MOSDAB provision. Per that provision, "Jefferson County (disambiguation) should list the counties in all the states, but Jefferson (disambiguation) ideally would not. Instead, it should link to the Jefferson County disambiguation page."  Replace "Jefferson County" with "Avtozavodsky City District" and "Jefferson" with "Avtozavodsky", and you'll see this in an identical situation.  Would you still disagree?  Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:17, July 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would still disagree. Jefferson County (disambiguation) includes a long list of blue links to ambiguous articles. Including them in Jefferson (disambiguation) would be cumbersome. The Avtozavodsky lists are not long, and should be combined. In both cases, reader navigation is assisted. -- JHunterJ (talk) 20:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That is just your preference and interpretation, is it not? The MOSDAB clause giving the Jefferson/Jefferson County example says nothing at all of reader navigation being assisted if one of the lists is short, or about cumbersomeness of merging two such lists if both are long.  What it does say, verbatim, is "on a page called Title, do not create entries merely because Title is part of the name".  It further refers to WP:DAB, which, in turn, says to not add links that merely contain part of the page title, or links that include the page title in a longer proper name, where there is no significant risk of confusion. Only add links to articles that could use essentially the same title as the disambiguated term.  Based on these, I do not quite understand how you arrive at your "it's still OK to merge them" conclusion.
 * On top of that, the pages should not be merged because one is a dab while the ohter is a set.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:12, July 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.