Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Awen

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep (no consensus). Mindspillage (spill yours?) 14:54, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Awen
Welsh name; not notable  &rarr;I&ntilde;g&#333;lemo&larr;   talk  04:42, 2005 May 20 (UTC) Keep - Obviously more than a dicdef.. cultural info, visual/symbol content as well. Some more knowledge that could be lost..but article could do with more referencing. -max rspct 19:24, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - it is also a word meaning "inspiration" in Druidry and/or Welsh tradition. I think it has potential for expansion in this direction. FreplySpang (talk) 04:52, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, there are other articles on names. Bryan 07:12, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, is a dicdef and has already been transwikied. --the wub (talk) 07:39, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. Historic name. Megan1967 07:53, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per The Wub. Radiant_* 08:57, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Etymology entries have a place on Wikipedia. Jamyskis 09:50, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, that's what Wiktionary is for. Radiant_* 12:13, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: Etymology is a lexical function. It is part of a dictionary entry.  Articles "on" first names should simply be disambiguations for all the figures known solely by that name.  Otherwise, Wiktionary does accept articles on names, and that's where these articles should go.  Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Geogre 11:19, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete this dicdef. ESkog 14:54, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, a dicdef. Mikkalai 15:14, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Wiktionaryfy--MarSch 18:02, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. Mythological symbolism in Welsh Druidic culture goes well beyond the capacity of Wiktionary to discuss. Next time try learning something about the term before rushing to judgment. -- BD2412 talk 18:52, 2005 May 20 (UTC)
 * Here, read this: Awen - The Holy Spirit of Druidry. You learn something new every day (especially editing Wikipedia!). -- BD2412 talk 19:12, 2005 May 20 (UTC)
 * Keep as re-written. --Carnildo 20:12, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable term in Welsh culture. Capitalistroadster 00:26, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not all that important.  And I say this as a bona fide Welsh person, and a speaker of yr hen iaith (a punning in-joke for any compatriots around).  I can honestly say that what this article describes is nothing more than a footnote to the grand mythological scheme of things, and tender an expert[0] opinion that it's not really worth keeping anywhere. [0]  Expert, relative to the discussion, in the absence of any mythology professors from Aberystwyth or Bangor. Chris talk back 02:18, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * ON: Most of what people think of as "Welsh Druidic culture" is bogus, invented by a recreational drug user by the name of Iolo Morgannwg. Much of what the real "druids" did is sadly (TTBOMK) undocumented, and thus not likely to be available to WP. Chris talk back 02:20, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * FWIW, you're right about that. The Druids were preliterate.  Julius Caesar wiped them out first, and Hengest and Horsa bashed them later, and then Augustine the Lesser after that.  There is a tremendous amount of poppycock claiming to be Druid or "white goddess" stuff floating about.  Anything that uses a Tolkein term and was "described" after Tolkein needs to be closely scrutinized.  A scholarly reference would be a huge help. Geogre 12:19, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting that the word "awen" is a derivation from Tolkien? It's worth bearing in mind that he based Sindarin heavily on Welsh, so it's actually the other way round. :)  As for a scholarly reference, my dictionary ("Y Geiriadur Mawr", 1989 ed.) states (with no mention of druids): awen, eb. ll.-au. 1. afwyn, llinyn ffrwyn.  REIN.  2. athrylith neu ysbrydoliaeth farddonol, dawn, talent.  POETIC GIFT, THE MUSE. Vashti 22:31, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Chris--nixie 14:45, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. As a fellow Welsh-speaker of Chris, I'd suggest adding the reservations expressed to the entry - whether or not the original prechristian Druids would have recognised the term, if it has a present-day use, doesn't it still merit an entry?  I also have a feeling that I've heard this term used in English as a borrowing from Welsh, meaning "inspiration" or "muse", and not by Druids either, as far as I know.  You'd say that something or someone has "awen".  I can't substantiate this, though, so it may be a figment of my imagination; annoying. Vashti 22:31, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
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