Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ayşe Gülnev Osmanoğlu


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Osmanoğlu family. (non-admin closure) buidhe 19:50, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Ayşe Gülnev Osmanoğlu

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Can a qualified user continue this process for Ayşe Gülnev Osmanoğlu? There doesn't seem to be anything at all justifying this individual as the subject of an article. The lead establishes her to be nothing other than a member of a family "descended from the Sultans who ruled the Ottoman Empire from 1299" to 1923, and descendant of Sultan Murad V; not uninteresting as it goes, but hardly enough to make her "relevant", surely? Online searches indicate nothing further to support her notability per the Wikipedia guidelines to which I referred.

The talk page has a 2011 notice that "References and evidence have been added to address notability issue", but the article itself fails to make clear why exactly she is notable, apart from there being an article on the Osmanoglu family and that her husband, Nicholas Sutton, has his own article also. The majority of her article (including virtually all the "Biography" section, the separate "Family Tree", and an "Ancestry" section, all of which combined give the strong impression of a self-aggrandising vanity article) is genealogical information, with her listed achievements being: a degree from the University of Exeter; a master's degree from SOAS, Univ. of London; spending "twenty years building up a property investment and development company alongside her husband"; and "now working on researching and writing historical novels on Ottoman history" (with a distinctly third-rate 'Daily News' source cited) Two similarly less-than-excellent sources are cited for the fact that they live in Sussex and she "spends the summers near Bodrum, Turkey".

Shoehorned in at the bottom is a section on the alleged increase in attention in Ottoman families, which seems to be intended to justify the article's existence despite the fact that the only relevance this has to her article is that she is from such a family. A documentary is mentioned in which, from the information given, she does not feature in any meaningful sense, as is the funeral of the last head of the Imperial Ottoman family (whose connection to the article subject, if any, is not stated). Many thanks for your assistance. 78.144.68.161 (talk) 17:21, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Completing nomination on behalf of IP nominator. Above text is copied from Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion.  I have no opinion of my own at this time. --Finngall talk  16:37, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. --Finngall talk  16:38, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete We're not Burke's Peerage and there is no claim of notability here. I thought there might be a better article on tr.wiki with additional sources to support notability, but there isn't. An internet search does not throw up anything that looks like multiple reliable independent sources to me. Mccapra (talk) 18:47, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete just because someone's family was once powerful does not make them now notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:41, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If that were the case, we would have a lot more BLPs. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  20:56, 2 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect with prejudice against re-creation to Osmanoğlu family but keep history as it might be useful in a future merge. "Redirect with prejudice against re-creation" means if there is no clear indication that the person qualifies for an article if someone tries to re-direct it, the page will be subject to reverting to a redirect and protected as needed.  I don't see a need to "redirect and protect" now, an HTML comment at the top of the page pointing to this discussion should be enough to dissuade partisans from re-creating it without discussion.  Editors who come along who have marginal evidence of WP:Notability can create a draft, which can be history-merged into the existing page if the draft is strong enough to be "likely" to survive a future AfD.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  20:54, 2 March 2020 (UTC)


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