Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ayesha Begum


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Ayşe Hatun (wife of Selim I). Consensus to merge these two articles on the same subject here is straightforward and uncontentious. It has been suggested that the secondary article should be merged into this article, as it is the newer article that duplicated an existing topic (though, it should be noted that this is not necessarily required). However, it has also been suggested that the newer article, having a more specific title, should be the merge target. And still, it has been suggested that neither title is appropriate, which implies that after the two articles are merged, the article should be renamed and both old titles should redirect to a new one. There is no consensus on the details here, and I see this as a low-level maintenance task, as opposed to a contentious dispute. The details can be worked out using common sense, bold decision making, and, if necessary, local followup discussion. The general consensus from this discussion is simply that the two articles should be merged and the best possible article title decided upon. Swarm talk  00:09, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Ayesha Begum

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As User:Hafidh Wahyu P has mentioned on my talk page, this person seems to be the same figure as Ayşe Hatun (wife of Selim I). In fact both were named as wives of Selim I until an IP user changed the info on this page. I wanted to see what other users think and whether this page should be deleted or redirected to the other page, of course if they are for sure the same person. Keivan.f Talk 23:10, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:30, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:30, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America1000 07:44, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Reverse merge from Ayşe Hatun (wife of Selim I) + remane this one to something with "Ayşe Hatun" and a MOS compliant disambig. Merge to Ayşe Hatun (wife of Selim I) . Obviously the same person by bio details (e.g. marriages to the same people in 1504 and 1511). The first name is obviously the same. Hatun is the Turkic form, and Begum is either a transliteration of Tatar through a 3rd language to English or alternatively the Begum title. I'm not sure the subject is notable - but given it exists in 7 other wiki projects and some sources I do see (I'll note that the cited sources do not appear to be available online), I'm neutral to weakish keep on the merged article. Icewhiz (talk) 08:41, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Per comment below - changed to reverse merge. This one pre-dated the other. And it also moved around quite a bit. It seems the other article (which is in a more correct title it seems) - was a hijacked redirect per this diff - 01:16, 2 November 2014. However - they've being running in parallel since 2014 (initial creation in 2013). Icewhiz (talk) 05:49, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There should certainly be a merge, but I would point out that the article under discussion is the older of the two and that neither article title conforms to Article titles. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 20:12, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment -- I am no expert here, but Begum is roughly equivalent to Princess or Lady. I would therefore have expected the merge target to be the more specific name.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:00, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:12, 11 October 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.