Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aylar Lie


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The result was   keep.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 01:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Aylar Lie

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I have serious doubts about whether this former porn star meets any notability guideline. She certainly doesn't meet the guideline for porn actresses. I cant find enough coverage for her to meet the general notability guideline. She might have done a lot of different things in the past, pornstar, singer, reality tv show contestant, but I can't see that any of it confers sufficient notability for inclusion Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 21:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Weakish keep, she seems to get a moderate amount of tabloid-type coverage (e.g.,, , , and a variety of articles in various Scandinavian languages I can't read). She doesn't meet PORNBIO or MUSICBIO, certainly, but she seems to get way more press than your average non-notable pornstar that we see on AfD.  The fact that it's tabloid and society stuff keeps my recommendation weak.   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 22:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, since I can't !vote Meh. She does seem to get a fair amount of tabloid coverage, albeit mostly for shagging notable people. Seems to be a fair amount of Norsk language stuff as well. Probably squeaks in through WP:GNG. Wine Guy   Talk  23:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Thing I was concerned about was whether tabloids like The Sun qualify as reliable sources. Incidentally, AfDs frequently come to a "meh" conclusion, they call it no consensus though ;-) Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 23:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep There are some reasonably reliable sources. There probably is enough to keep this one. The article could be tightened up, tho. --Stormbay (talk) 00:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. She got a surprising amount of news coverage when her porn career began, partly for the overblown Miss Norway connection, partly for her Iranian background, partly for the exploitational "Princess Diana" name. She meets the GNG cumulatively, not for anything in particular. Notability happens. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep highly notable celebrity. I havn't heard of very many of this kind of people, but she is one of the few that I have. A Lie" news check with Norwegian search engine Kvasir shows 13 news hits (yes, that would all be reliable, secondary sources) this year (in just over two weeks). A search with Atext (a proprietary search of printed and online newspapers) gives 1,863 hits. Those are all reliable, secondary sources. So people can be highly famous for doing nothing special at all, and yet be mentioned in conservative media outlets such as the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation, Aftenposten and Dagsavisen. Arsenikk (talk)  23:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not averse to withdrawing a nomination if someone adds some good quality references Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 01:41, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have reformatted the existing references to cite web format. The article had a number of reliable sources to begin with. For instance, The Sun article covers a rather trivial issue about her, showing to what degree she has already been established as a celebrity and attained notability. Arsenikk (talk)  12:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I suspect I'm not going to be thinking in line with consensus here (looking at the !keep votes here at any rate). The Sun reference in the article is exactly the kind of reference I'd be disputing. Is it a reliable source? Is there a consensus somewhere on this kind of tabloid reporting? I wouldn't be comfortable relying on this kind of reference for any article I was writing. I'm not gonna push the issue - consensus is consensus - but would we be happy if every article in the encyclopedia relied on the Sun as its main source? Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 00:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * My feeling on tabloids like The Sun is that their usage as a source needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis. While they are certainly not reliable sources for topics such as foreign policy or government officials, they are perhaps the ideal source for "tabloid celebrities". It's a sad commentary that these "tabloid-ebrities" exist (and that people actually seek out information about them), but they do, and Ms. Lie appears to be one of them. Also, as Arsenikk pointed out, there do appear to be plenty of Norwegian sources, but I don't speak Norsk. Anyone care to translate? Wine Guy   Talk  01:31, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Notorious celebrity and household name in Norway. no:Aylar Lie cites three reliable references with significant coverage, of which there are many more, per User:Arsenikk. Meets GNG. decltype (talk) 12:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
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