Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ayrton Cable


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Most of the sources presented by the "keep" !voters are either not significant coverage or not independent of the subject, and there is no evidence that the award he won is particularly notable. However, most of the "delete" arguments are of the form WP:JNN without addressing the validity of sources which do seem OK, like. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 19:28, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Ayrton Cable

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Firstly, he's 12 years old so WP:BLP especially applies.

Secondly, he's a nobody who's had his article written by WP:SPA, in entirely un-WP:NPOV hagiographic terms, and I suspect WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY by user:888AlexanderAranda888. The article has been WP:REFBOMBED with irrelevant nonsense, and fantastic and somewhat improbable claimed achievements.

While Master Cable might be an honourable schoolboy, he's still a schoolboy who needs protection from WP:BLP, and he's still a schoolboy that nobody cares about. See similar case of Jacob Barnett, where a previous AFD resulted in a clear consensus to delete in line with policy, not once but twice. Claudebone (talk) 11:23, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2016 January 8.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 11:39, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as obviously not notable and the kid should be sent to detention for creating this. Legacypac (talk) 19:11, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Does need work. Notable for his age and notable for his activities and accomplishments. Ayrton Cable at age 9 presented a film to members of the British Parliament. and was awarded a notable prize.. If Quvenzhané Wallis, a 12 YO child actress (article created in 2013 when she was 10) who is probably more protected than Cable can have a Wikipedia page, why can't Cable? Jim1138 (talk) 19:57, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Award is utterly nonnotable. A candy for a kid. "Presented to members of Britiash MP" - no big feat for business secretary Vince Cable to arrange it for his grandson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Staszek Lem (talk • contribs) 05:28, 20 January 2016‎


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:51, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * That's WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, and one thing Cable definitely hasn't been nominated for is an Oscar. Claudebone (talk) 05:53, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 15:30, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - not notable yet. I also find creating articles on precocious children a bit embarrassing, since if they fail (by whatever criteria their haters prefer) to live up to expectations of their life having a Wikipedia article at 13 I find it all too easy to imagine it being used as a way to mock them. Blythwood (talk) 07:43, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Could do with refinement, though user:Claudebone has clearly not followed the links and evidence, all of which are totally credible, to support the facts that have been written about Ayrton Cable. Yes he did present a film to members of the British Parliament aged 9, yes he did receive a notable awards such as the WAF AWARD and yes there are new things he has done which have not yet been listed on the page such as being the "face and voice of new vitabiotics wellkid campaign to inspire social action in young people". He is now 13, has not stopped campaigning and shows no sign of stopping. Given his age and achivements I felt the need to include as many references as possible and certainly did not intend to WP:REFBOMB the article. It would be more productive to make appropriate edits instead of deleting the page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 888AlexanderAranda888 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * delete nonnortable vanity run for a big politican's grandson. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:42, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I can't be neutral on this one so I will not !vote, but the article has a veneer of mis-direction that I am not comfortable with. The kid did NOT make a film -- an NGO had the film made with him as narrator. (And he's not a very good one, but that's my POV.) He didn't "launch" a bill even though that's the wording in the article -- the bill was written and introduced by a group of NGO's and he was there, with the movie, to basically do a show when it was introduced. I checked references and some do not mention him, others are just mentions. The article is a serious example of WP:UNDUE and needs to be reduced to a couple of paragraphs. In any case, we may want to keep the article because I'm sure that we'll be reporting on his spiral into drugs and risky behavior by age 18 and early demise, just like so many child stars (which is what he is). See, I said I couldn't be neutral! LaMona (talk) 21:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * keep Even a cursory search of Ayrton's name on google reveals thousands of results. More concretely, in accordance with the Wikipedia regulations on notability, 'If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list.' WP:GNG The Huffington Post, The charity TearFund and TEDYouth constitute relevant sources in this regard. Further, Ayrton has appeared in the media increasingly since the age of 9 and continues to do so . As per the above comment, Ayrton has been involved in recent events which have not yet made it onto the Wikipedia entry, indeed showing that his social activism is an ongoing commitment. It would surely be more pertinent to address constructive remarks for the improvement of the page (which is itself a new entry and open to refinement). In addition, in line with WP:BIO guidelines on people entries on Wikipedia, Ayrton is notable for not just one but various events and activities, awards and nominations and has certainly met a satisfactory level of notability for Wikipedia standards, his Food Labelling films now having 150,000 views on Youtube . I suggest the page be kept and the necessary refinements made in order for Ayrton's ongoing activities to be documented in the clearest way possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smphillips912 (talk • contribs) 16:07, 24 January 2016‎ — Smphillips912 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


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