Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ayu Tsukimiya


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The result was merge‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to List of Kanon characters. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:34, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Ayu Tsukimiya
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Article has massive unsourced sections, and additionally had several references cited as saying things they didn't or for the character herself when they were talking about the group. With those sources removed, there's next to nothing actually here. Trying to find sources through Scholar or even Web Archive found next to nothing, and while book sources do exist they're discussing her role in the title, not offering any analysis on the character that can be cited. Even the GAR it went through years ago argued it should've been merged. Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:15, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
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 * Merge anything sourced/missing to Kanon (or the character list if exists) but definitely at least redirect since she’s easily the most famous character (uguu, anyone?) Dronebogus (talk) 00:10, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 04:37, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge an evaluation of the sourcing in the article doesn't indicate the character passes GNG independent from Kanon, and it leans pretty heavy on crufty trivia that can easily be condensed. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 17:33, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge. Article seems to rest its laurels on references, sometimes improperly referenced (such a citing an episode of Lucky Star without referencing someone saying that it was a reference to Kanon). - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 18:30, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per above. I checked the reception section and it is pretty thinly stretched from passing mentions, and likewise, references cited are generally not meeting WP:SIGCOV or are not reliable. WP:FANCRUFT, I fear. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:46, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep . This remains a "good article" on the Chinese Wiki . Have you tried checking foreign sources? I did a quick look (in Japanese) and came across: (Natalie 1), (Natalie 2), J-Cast, Character poll, Voice Actress Interview. English books: (talks about Ayu). - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:37, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you look at the sources you're recommending? Almost none of them are offering reception, with the book only offering a tiny amount at all. The voice actress interview doesn't count towards character reception. And what another part of wikipdia does in terms of its articles is very different from this end of Wikipedia. Many character articles still exist on the Japanese end and they're a complete mess.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I said I did a quick look which is better than not looking at all. A voice actress interview definitely helps on a character article as its out of universe perspective. I also notice that her character design inspired Fred Gallagher to pen a cartoon. The "Creation and conception" needs third party sourcing which I feel can be found via foreign sources, which falls under WP:BEFORE. This article could benefit from cleanup and a re-evaluation of the sources present. That being said... the bar is being set high here, are we going to discount the influence on a notable cartoonist, an interview of the voice actress given by a WP:RS, and sources giving character reviews? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but being referenced in a webcomic, even by a notable cartoonist, doesn't really account for much. Nothing is being said their about their thoughts on the character in any significance just a nod towards them, which could also translate towards the related media and not the character per se. And the voice actress interview doesn't seem to go in depth on the character either, just mentioning that it was done. The bar is no higher than any other article, the sourcing trying to prove notability is just not cutting the mustard.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:38, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay I concede... I tried looking into foreign sourcing and didn't find anything. I wanted to at least give it one last effort before exhausting the search. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:41, 21 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge per nomination, I tried in vain with nothing to be found. Even the GA nomination had editor concerns on the character's notability. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:42, 21 June 2023 (UTC)


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