Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Azam Amir Kasav


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was : Obvious consensus to keep, early closure. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 13:08, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Azam Amir Kasav

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This person was one among the 10 terrorists that were involved in the November 2008 Mumbai attacks. Wikipedia article on commando Havaldar Gajender Singh (who was killed in the encounter) was deleted from Wikipedia, for the reason that he was notable only for one incident. Isn't Azam Amir Kasav noted for this one incident only? His being a terrorist or caught alive does not make enough reason for a Wiki article. He was not a notable terrorist or terrorist leader before the attack. There are many more terrorists in Indian custody. I strongly suggest the deletion of this page. Suggested read -- Articles for deletion/Havaldar Gajender Singh -- Sreejith Kumar (talk) 21:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep and Close - WP:OTHERSTUFF:


 * 1) There is a key difference in that this article Azam Amir Kasav is a sub-article from November 2008 Mumbai attacks: There recently was a merge discussion in which the community consensus was to keep both articles separate, as it is felt that the story of Azam Amir Kasav will continue to develop and grow as he is dealt by the legal system. Please see here:
 * 2) Merge discussions are similar to AfDs, so the nominator should not have ignored community consensus before nominating. Talk pages are there for a reason.

Besides process, because we know consensus can change, there are content issues that speak against an AfD. While it is true that Azam Amir Kasav is notable for one event only, the nature of the notability is quite different from the victims, be them military or civilian. As the sole surviving perpetrator, his interrogation will lead to further insight into the attacks, which is in itself notable. India will in all probability try him, and he will in all probability make declarations. In general, he will continue to be notable in ways connected to but separate from the event in Mumbai. Where the rest of the attackers alive, we would probably have a page called "Attackers of the November 2008 Mumbai attacks", but there being a single one, his biographical page is more correct. The information should be going somewhere, and the community has overwhelming consensus that it is this page. Thanks! --Cerejota (talk) 23:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep: Ajmal Amir, (son of Mohammad Amir Iman, a resident of the village of Faridkot  the tehsil of Dipalpur in [Pakistan] Punjab’s Okara district) is a key link in India's case against Pakistan, being the only attacker caught. He is an extremely important person. --ISKapoor (talk) 01:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: This article describes in detail a rare find: a modern day terrorist captured during a large scale operation, and the details on his life will offer a rare glimpse into radicalisation, methods, techniques, ...etc. Merging is a bad idea as well, since the material in this article is quite massive to be just a section in the main attacks article KB (talk) 01:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep this is likely to be in the news for long time, and in academic and historical source indefinitely. We can use NOT NEWS and ONEEVENT for most of the individual victims, who were caught in an event not of their own making & who did nothing of their own in particular; this is someone who did (jointly) cause the event. ONEEVENT doe not deal with mass murderers, though it may of their victims. event. DGG (talk) 01:57, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep we are still adding new material about this guy, which is important for proving attribution for the Mumbai attacks. Pakistan government denies he ever existed, i.e., they claim he is not Pakistani, but newspaper reporters have visited the village in Pakistan and verified that his family is there and remembers him.  Can we continue to edit the article while this meta-controversy continues? bostonbrahmin 02:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bostonbrahmin20 (talk • contribs)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 04:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 04:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 04:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Notorious people such as Kasav are notable. We already have articles for militants such as Marwan al-Shehhi and so on. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  04:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This person is of great importance in proving Pakistani involvement. Particularly, in light of the fact some villagers of Faridkot, Okara have identified this person. It is important that the story of his identification by the villagers is not trivialised and buried --SahirShah (talk) 06:43, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep --This is the person who might be end up being very important on Mumbai Attacks and its subsequent events. -- Visnagar (talk) 07:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: Has a notable coverage. --SkyWalker (talk) 07:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep and Close. This article has clearly been nominated as another article was deleted. BIO1E/BLP1E do not cover terrorists/mass-murderers although those may cover the victims. Thanks. Shovon (talk) 10:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


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