Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Azriel Haikin


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The result was   no consensus. L Faraone  21:11, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Azriel Haikin

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Non-notable person. One passing reference in one text does not make one notable. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:30, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete I checked the references and its actually Chaikin. Plus, I also found second reference in Jewish Press, but I afraid it wont save it from being deleted.--Mishae (talk) 22:51, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete this non-notable Shaliach (Chabad) who does not even meet the notability requirements for Category:Chabad-Lubavitch emissaries. There are hundreds of such minor Chabad rabbis with grandiose titles that inflate their importance. Maybe in twenty years time when he becomes truly notable and well-known or writes a genuine major scholarly work he can have his own article. For now this is just a fluff piece that goes against WP:NOTFACEBOOK. Also kindly note that Wikipedia is not Chabad.org. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 07:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. There are apparently 3 Chief Rabbis of Ukraine and Azriel Chaikin is one of them. However, there is no independent coverage other than Chabad news sites. The main Chief Rabbi, Yaakov Bleich, is far more well known. We'll leave the mention of him on the latter page. Yoninah (talk) 11:27, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: Checking non-Chabad sources, I get the impression that Rabbi Chaikin was fairly notable in the pre-Internet era, during his tenure as the Chief Rabbi of Copenhagen and later of Brussels. This Ha-Maor article from 1970 devotes several paragraphs to Chaikin's activities in Brussels; this brief mention in Ha-Maor (1968), describes him as the rabbi of Copenhagen and de facto chief rabbi of Scandinavia. I suppose contemporary Jewish newspapers had more extensive coverage (Ha-Maor is a rabbinic journal, not a newspaper) which would make him notable. It is only in the 21st century that he has held less prestigious positions (chief rabbi of a country that has another chief rabbi). Incidentally, contemporary sources refer to Chaikin as the former chief rabbi of Ukraine; it appears he left Ukraine in 2009. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 17:59, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Here is a Slate article describing the confusing state of the chief rabbinate of Ukraine, though I am not sure how accurate it is—the author is not aware that Chaikin left Ukraine some 5 years earlier. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 18:13, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, position is uncertain, per WP:V. Given that, the article says zip, zero, nada, in the way of secondary analysis. Abductive  (reasoning) 16:53, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Abductive: What is (partially) unverifiable is one point in his fifty-year long career. There are adequate sources for his tenure in Agadir (not provided above), Copenhagen and Brussels, as I wrote above, from reliable, independent sources which include some secondary analysis. (I am not required to actually add it to the article, only to demonstrate that it exists.) הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 18:09, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The general consensus is that one can cobble together an article about a person from primary sources, but without the presence of secondary analysis it should be deleted. There are millions upon millions of people who have been mentioned in newspaper articles, but only a tiny fraction of them are notable. Abductive  (reasoning) 18:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
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