Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bṛhaspati


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The result was Withdrawn. Withdrawn by nominator Philg88 ♦talk 21:59, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Bṛhaspati

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The article may not establish notability and neutrality is disputed, but I'm unsure whether if the article is a hoax or not, but it dates from 5 October 2002, making it older than the Jar'Edo Wens hoax and I could find only 1 source in the article. Most of the content is unsourced, but his name is seen on the list of Hindu deities. The Snowager -is awake  16:00, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. The Snowager  -is awake  16:01, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep But clean up. It's not a hoax as Bṛhaspati is mentioned here as a purohita, which matches with article, as well as here. This indicates that the name referred to a different deity over time and that needs to be clarified. There is certainly sufficient coverage in reliable sources to warrant retaining an article on the topic. Philg88 ♦talk 16:26, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * Nice ref find! Parpola (p. 114) has further details on the development of Bṛhaspati, which would be useful additions to the article. Abecedare (talk) 17:01, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep, but article should reflect scholarly confusion about his identity Brihaspati is said to be the founder of Carvaka school of Indian philosophy but for some reason this article does not even mention Carvaka. But the Ramkrishna Bhattacharya citation given on Carvaka page does not identify Brihaspati as "the founder of Carvaka school." It states that Kautilya identified Brahaspatya as an arthashastra, which identified cattle-rearing, trade and politics as the only sciences. Bhattacharya says that the name "Brihaspati should not deceive us" because Brihaspati, the first who appears by that name, is a suraguru or the preceptor of the gods. He is known to have written a dharmashastra, Barhaspatya Dharmashastra, which accepts Manu's dharmashastra, (and therefore the Vedas), as the highest authority. So clearly he is not a Carvaka as the Carvakas "denounced Vedas as hoax in no uncertain terms". Bhattacharya only manages to establish that there were many Brihaspatis, and that most of them were orthodox. This article can be retained if it can reflect the scholarly confusion and uncertainty about the identity of Brihaspati. The article, as it stands, is devoid of substantial content. -Mohanbhan (talk) 16:45, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep Article needs work, but certainly not a hoax. Bṛhaspati/Brihaspati is a notable figure in Vedic mythology in which he is the teacher of all the gods; and also in Indian astronomy/astrology, in which he represents Jupiter, and Thursday in the Hindu calendar is named after him. I haven't looked to see if and how the mythological figure and "Jupiter" are connected, but in any case the sage Bṛhaspati is a notable enough subject for an article of its own, and the other meanings can either be included in the article or dealt with by appropriate hat notes linking to related articles, depending upon what the sources say. Abecedare (talk) 16:52, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep The article needs a lot of work, but Brhaspati is a notable fugure in Indian Mythology. Brhaspati is also the name of the planet "Jupiter" according to Indian astronomical traditions. A dismbiguation hatnote is needed.Sulabhvarshney (talk) 18:04, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - There is no problem with the subject. - Kautilya3 (talk) 18:50, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree per all and so I decide to withdraw the nom. Thanks. The Snowager -is awake  20:08, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


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