Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B.U. Exposure


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 06:19, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

B.U. Exposure

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NN ephemeral student newspaper, whose only claim to notability was in activism against the then-BU president in the 1970s. Significant coverage per WP:SIGCOV to the subject does not exist. A redirect has been reverted twice by User:Tinkerready, for whom a WP:COI issue is probable: the editor is a SPA with no edits to Wikipedia other than this article (into which she put her own name as an alumnus, and is keeping on attempting to do so []), suddenly putting all this info into the BU article, creating an article on Frank A. Ready -- whose claim to fame is that he was a hotel manager in NYC -- and whose userpage solely contains a link to her personal website. Until these reverts earlier today, the editor had no other edits in nearly six years. Seeking to reaffirm the redirect to Boston University.   Ravenswing     20:07, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions.   Ravenswing      20:07, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions.   Ravenswing      20:07, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Tinker Ready here. I would like to defend the BU exposure page. Is this where I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkerready (talk • contribs) 20:13, 20 January 2022 (UTC) OK I currently teach at BU and classes started today. Will work on Wikipedia guidelines, policies and notability criteria. Give me a few weeks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkerready (talk • contribs) 20:16, 20 January 2022 (UTC) Adam Glenn here. I would also like to defend the page. I am a graduate of the school, a former editor of the newspaper in the years following Tinker Ready's tenure, was involved in the Mass. Civil Liberties Union suit and our deposition of then-BU President John Silber. I have made several minor edits to the page in the last year, but have several files of documentation that I could add, and am willing to do additional research to butress the page. My additional bona fides are that I am currently a writer/editor for the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University, a veteran news reporter (including with a seven-year-stint as a senior producer at ABC News) and a long-time journalism educator at City University of New York, Columbia University and New York University. Thanks for allowing additional edits to support verification and continuation of the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.116.31 (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This would be where you would do it. Arguments based on relevant Wikipedia guidelines, policies and notability criteria are required, and you can get a handle on those through the links above and WP:Deletion policy.   Ravenswing      20:15, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * For the article to be kept, you would need to show that it has received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Your files might be useful to add more information to the article, but the article doesn't need more information, what it needs is proof of notability. Was the BU exposure ever covered by a mainstream newspaper, for example? The article cites to a newspaper article about a court case, which is a start, but we would need to see coverage of the BU exposure itself. Do you have anything like that? Mlb96 (talk) 20:30, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * And that being said, excuse me, Mr. Glenn: has Tinker Ready contacted you to try to get people to block deletion?   Ravenswing     21:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Ravenswing (and please forgive any lack of fluency in using this discussion page) - I don't actually know Tinker (possibly met her once decades ago) and was not contacted by her, no, but just stumbled across this deletion discussion last week when visiting the bu exposure page. I've long been trying to find the time to suggest updates to it (beginning in Feb '21), mostly as a way to learn how to better contribute to the Wikipedia community. I'm a novice on that front, for sure, so will look for guidance from you, Tinker and others to how I may be of help. But I do feel that this hidden chapter of student press history has real value for other student (and professional) journalists and others interested in academic freedoms. Thanks much, be well, Adam

Hi Adam, thanks for jumping in here. There was a lot of national coverage of the sale of admissions story in '79. I've posted a few scans, but I now have better access to better quality via BU archives. TR — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkerready (talk • contribs) 15:41, 22 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:25, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Splendid, as long as you find significant coverage of the b.u.exposure -- not interviews of the exposure's staff, not information on the scandals of the administration, but of the newspaper. That's what's required here.   Ravenswing     22:21, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete: It's a significant bit of history to the world of First Amendment rights, freedom of speech, student journalism, student activism and to B.U., and if that were the basis for the decision, I'd vote to keep. But it does not meet Wikipedia's standards for notability. Somebody needs to write a book or there needs to be significant coverage elsewhere about it. If someone can find significant coverage about the newspaper back in the 1970s, that might save it. Reluctantly, SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨ 22:35, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Some sourcing of the era, though it's less about the paper itself and more about the stories it broke:    Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 22:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

What is a newspaper but the stories it breaks? Tinker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19D:380:7180:3445:81C4:9B3F:E706 (talk) 19:12, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * As I said a week back, the purpose of these discussions is whether the subject of an article meets the various criteria governing notability, not generic philosophy; that the purpose of a newspaper may be to write stories is undoubted, but that has nothing to do with whether an ephemeral newspaper with next to no reliable, independent, third parties giving it significant coverage qualifies for a Wikipedia article. I once again invite you to review those criteria.   Ravenswing      21:23, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete cannot find any reliable sources that give significant coverage to the newspaper. -- Mike 🗩 19:24, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.