Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B. Russell Murphy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Stifle (talk) 08:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

B. Russell Murphy

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Not notable. Fails V RS BIO ATHLETE and NOTABILITY. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  21:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Look at all the stuff on the Google News and Books list! By the way, please don't just create the AfD discussion, can you also place the standard header on the article page so that others will know that the article is in AfD? (done thanks)--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 12:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Question Does this mean the AfD deadline is Oct 9 or Oct 11? I've been made aware of more potential info but need to verify it.  Would like the deadline to be from the date of the proper listing, not the date of the incomplete listing.  Fair enough?--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete, doesn't seem to meet WP:BIO. Coverage is limited to mentions of his name and proof that he exists. Stifle (talk) 15:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, does not appear to meet WP:BIO at present. RFerreira (talk) 17:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep meets WP:N. An article in the NYT about a 1923 football coach is pretty good.  Other sources listed in article seem acceptable. Hobit (talk) 00:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Very Weak Keep, This article needs a lot of work. I do agree with Stifle.  A lot of the sources seem to prove that he exists and that about it, but there is multiple, so I willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.    I would not be opposed to merging this info into a list of Dickerson football coaches. 09er (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed, such a merge might make sense. Hobit (talk) 11:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge with a Dickerson football coaches article, as per 09er. [witty comment about the UK understanding of college football redacted]  --Bobak (talk) 15:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: Yes, I see a NYT mention, but that's the same sort of trivial mention that takes place in sports pages nationwide on a daily basis. There is still no substantial, reliable, in depth coverage presented to us.    Ravenswing  21:12, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I believe that the subject would be considered notable, if he existed today. Of course, give the time gap, many reliable sources (i.e. newspaper articles) would not be published online.  However, there are some, and previous consensus has ruled that notability is not temporary. Fraud  talk to me  20:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Notability is indeed not temporary, and if you can provide evidence of his notability, feel free. Suggesting that he might have been notable had he existed today is pure speculation ... and heck, it isn't as if the current coach of Dickenson College is notable, or that low-level college football referees are.    Ravenswing  00:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In fact, such "comparisons" tend to be invalid. Note that Yale and University of Chicago had football teams that dominated college football over a century ago, but the former's current coach would barely get regional coverage today (as they are Division I FCS) and the latter's would get virtually none (as they are now Division III football). Dickinson College competes on the Division III level today. B.Wind (talk) 03:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton Tropical  Cyclone  19:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.   -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.   -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Murphy also served as basketball coach for at least two other colleges and seems to have written a notable book. The problem here is that any real verification must be done with old, offline, sources. As it stands right now, the article merely hints at his notability, but there's enough there to merit more time for expansion and sources (I've duly tagged it for expansion). B.Wind (talk) 03:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. In addition to coaching, notable for writing and for early involvement wtih rules commitees. →Wordbuilder (talk) 21:30, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.