Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B. S. Daya Sagar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. There is no clear consensus regarding if subject meets notability criteria, specifically if meeting the criteria to join the Fellowship of the RGS meets PROF. A number of the comments and !votes are by users who have little or no other contributions to Wikipedia; while all comments were read and considered, counting of votes was not used to reach a decision..  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  13:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

B. S. Daya Sagar

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This article fails the notability criteria for academics as well as lacks significant coverage in independent sources. Most of references are either self-published or are not reliable. — CutestPenguinHangout 14:29, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. — Cute<b style="color:#00A300">st</b><b style="color:#0A47FF">Penguin</b><sup style="font-size:50%">Hangout 14:33, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - Being a Fellow of Royal Geographical Society is certainly notable. If he has accomplished all this at a young age (without even reaching a Professor level), it is even more notable.  Check his book reviews here: . Kautilya3 (talk) 01:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete. A h-index of 10 is not enough for WP:PROF, and fellowship of the RGS is not a selective honour. Anyone with an undergraduate degree is eligible (see here). -- 120.23.106.30 (talk) 01:36, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That is interesting! So, we shouldn't have a category called "Fellows of Royal Geographical Society". Thanks for digging this up. Kautilya3 (talk) 08:02, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - You just don't get to work with Dr. Jean Serra and be a Fellow of RGS and still be not notable. The reporter should read more information on his website. I'd certainly recommend the wikipage to be kept alive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.207.170.163 (talk) 09:52, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - Prof. Sagar's research interests are on the applications of mathematical morphology and fractal analysis in computational geosciences, focusing on extraction and analysis landforms and features such as hydrological networks and mountains, dynamic simulation of water bodies and sand dunes, multiscale analysis and spatial interpolation. He has also worked on the applications of image and signal processing in a diverse range of fields, including analysis of transmission systems, speech modelling and classification and DNA landscape creation. His work has been recognised with several prestigious awards, including the Dr. Balakrishna Memorial Award (1995), Krishnan Medal (2002) and Georges Matheron Lectureship Award (2011). In addition to the numerous publications that he has made in highly respectable journals, he has also become guest editors for several special issues and two books. His most recent book, Mathematical Morphology in Geomorphology and GISci, has helped galvanise the applications of mathematical morphology in geospatial analysis. He has worked closely with several respected researchers, including Prof. Jean Serra, Prof. Arthur P. Crackenell, Prof. Gabor Korvin, Prof. Philippos Pomonis and Dr. Laurent Najman, highlighting the significant influence that he has in his field. My opinion is that Prof. Sagar is more than worthy to have a Wikipedia entry.Dinsat (talk) 12:27, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: WP:Notability is not inherited so "working closely with several respected researchers" doesn't contribute to notability. The Dr. Balakrishna Memorial Award doesn't seem notable either, although the Georges Matheron Lectureship and Krishnan Medal could perhaps satisfy WP:PROF. Any case for notability should probably concentrate on those. -- 120.23.108.6 (talk) 02:43, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - Prof Sagar has definitely made significant contributions to the research work especially in the area of Mathematical Morphology. Not only had he published his numerous research works in reputable and high-impact factor international journals and also in books, his contribution to the scientific community is also proven from the prestigious awards he received over the years, both at national level and international level. The awards he received include Georges Matheron Lectureship Award and Krishnan Medal etc. Moreover, he has also demonstrated his supervision skill and leadership skill by supervising postgraduate students (Masters and PhD level) and being head of SSIU (Systems Science and Informatics Unit), Indian Statistical Institute. Based on the notable contributions made by Prof Sagar, it is undoubtedly that he should be kept in the Wikipedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.101.203.19 (talk) 16:12, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - His page needs to be kept live not only due to the fact that this page satisfies WP:PROF, WP:PROF, and to a very significant extent WP:PROF. The two awards, this person recieved, that satisfy WP:PROF are Georges Matheron Lectureship and Krishnan Medal. A couple of examples evident from his homepage that satisfy WP:PROF include short reviews on his book titled "Mathematical Morphology in Geomorphology and GISci", and Journal Reviews, , to name a few on his book. This book is available in libraries wide across . With all this, this page is a 'Strong Keep'. Wikipedia has pages on the names of the 'awards' that this person received, but why the page created on this person (a recipient of these awards) is nominated for deletion. Please keep this page live.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.106.67.32 (talk) 03:02, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * He certainly fails WP:PROF with a h-index of 10. With just two citations for the book "Mathematical Morphology in Geomorphology and GISci," I don't think it contributes to passing WP:PROF at all. And I'm not convinced that the Georges Matheron Lectureship and Krishnan Medal meet WP:PROF, but I guess it's possible. -- 120.17.78.137 (talk) 09:34, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Average citation indices (eg.: h and g) vary from discipline to discipline. It is dangerous to take them as yard sticks to decide about one's 'Notability'. Many Awards' Committees are very cautious in selecting awardees based on these citation indices. It is more appropriate to take the Journal's Impact Factor into account. The excellent reviews, , published in highly reputed journals such as 'ACM Computing Reviews', 'Journal of Mathematical Geosciences', and 'Geomatica' on his book entitled "Mathematical Morphology in Geomorphology and GISci" add a lot more value than number of citations that a book receives. These excellent reviews written by pioneering scientists certainly satisfy WP:PROF. Two awards (Georges Matheron Lectureship Award and Krishnan Medal), in particular Georges Matheron Lectureship, he received--which are named after very eminent personalities Georges Matheron{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Matheron} and M. S. Krishnan--are indeed notable and they are selective honors. These two awards satisfy WP:PROF. It is not correct that every other recipient of these awards has a wikipedia page except this person. KEEP his page alive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.58.253.17 (talk) 07:01, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: This AfD is largely populated by IP users with no other edit history; it seems likely that Dr Sagar or someone close to him has canvassed off-wiki to tilt this AfD. Dea  db  eef  07:07, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep — The large number of new editors participating in this makes me worried about WP:COI editing in the biography itself. That said, WP:COI is itself not a reason for a deletion but rather a reason to fix the article. The Fellowship in the Royal Geographic Society seems like it checks the box for WP:PROF. Given the sad state of this AfD, mine is a reluctant vote to keep but I think it's the correct thing to do. Does Wikipedia need this biography of Sagar? Maybe not. Should it have one? According to our policies, I think the answer is yes. — m a k o ๛  21:48, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

I know one notable award of international reputation given to those who pioneered in Mathematical Morphology and Spatial Analysis is Georges Matheron Lectureship Award. Prof. Daya Sagar is one of those recipients of this prestigious award in 2011. Co-Founder of Mathematical Morphology Prof Jean Serra and an eminent spatial statistician Adrian Baddeley were the recipients of this award in 2006 and 2008. I compare Professor Prof. Daya Sagar against Jean Serra and Adrian Baddeley: that is a huge achievement for someone so young. With many other academic achievements as are evidenced from his webage, this page should be of a category Strong Keep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramarao.iit (talk) 06:39, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * KEEP: I am Dr. Rama Rao, Associate Professor at the Indian Institute of Space Science and Technology, Trivandrum, India. I came to know about Prof. Daya Sagar in 2007 through his students' works, and subsequently during my inquiries and interactions with him on advanced morphological techniques for my research area "hyperspectral image processing". I strongly feel, Prof. Daya Sagar has several contributions in the field of mathematical morphology, which speak for long lasting notability in the theory and applications of mathematical morphology.
 * Comment- Admin with check user-right requested to investigate above votes! carefully. — <b style="color:#D60047">C</b><b style="color:#F0A000">ute</b><b style="color:#00A300">st</b><b style="color:#0A47FF">Penguin</b><sup style="font-size:50%">Hangout 09:42, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Admins don't have that ability; you need to request it at WP:SPI. But I think we can count on the closing admin to weigh the policy-based arguments and not just to count votes. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:48, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The article would have looked much more keepable if it had been written a little more modestly. Iy's always a dilemma whether to removethe flowery language from a borderline notable article or to just let it get deleted. . In this case, I'm going to clean it a little.  DGG ( talk ) 03:02, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak keep I've done what I could with it. Notability would be because of one important book and the Matheron Lectureship. The Krishnan medal is less important, based on citation records of the recipients which range from similar to his to twice as high.  FWIW, Baddeley's most cited papers have 921 & 346 citations each in Google Scholar;    Serra   766 and 568; Sagar's highest are 32 and 24.  One could argue that for Serra to have been given the prize this early shows recognition of his work as particularly significant, but I do wonder why the citations are so abnormally low. Usually such awards parallel the citations.    DGG ( talk ) 06:22, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Notability criteria do not appear to have been met, personal recommendations from colleagues and grandiose peacock language notwithstanding.  Not enough "there" there.  KDS 4444  Talk  06:49, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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