Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B2177 road (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to B roads in Zone 2 of the Great Britain numbering scheme.  MBisanz  talk 13:31, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

B2177 road
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This is the road that runs over Portsdown Hill and a few other places. The prose is little more than "this road goes here, then here, then here, oh god I'm so excited I might just fall over", the bit about the Winchester Bypass is about another road, and the single source is an OS map that shows its existence.

The previous AfD closed as "no consensus" with arguments extending to "An artery that connects several municipalities is notable" (according to whom? By that argument the road connecting my local Pizza Hut to KFC and MacDonalds is notable) A search for sources reveals passing mentions about accidents and speed cameras but even the more obvious search term "Portsdown Hill Road" and "Winchester Road, Wickham" draws a blank. I can't find any evidence of historical importance on old 19th century maps either. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:03, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 16:08, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 16:08, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep/merge This source tells us that this used to be an A road and that seems to be the A27. We usually keep A roads. Andrew D. (talk) 18:27, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * But we don't cite fictional novels as sources! The road over Portsdown Hill has never been the A27 from my map collection. And we don't have a policy for keeping 'x', only shortcut policies (like WP:PROF) where we can assume sources do exist. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  19:29, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * That book was written by a Hampshire traffic policemen, who seemed to be writing about real incidents from experience. There's more details about the road here which indicates that it was part of the A27 before a bypass around Havant was constructed. Andrew D. (talk) 19:39, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom, as this is a B road which has yet to garner non-trivial coverage from reliable publications. Perhaps we as a community should revisit Centralized_discussion/B_roads_in_the_United_Kingdom?  Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 01:00, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, I'm struggling to find any Wikipedia notability guideline that it could possibly pass? Jeni  ( talk ) 16:38, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  16:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment "delete" is inappropriate because at a minimum the page could be merged (Editor Yamaguchi and a participant in first afd link to good discussion that probably led to creation of suitable lists). Specifically put an anchor into the highway's row in B roads in Zone 2 of the Great Britain numbering scheme (or use the "id=" feature in wikitables to make a row anchor) and redirect to that. -- do ncr  am  06:59, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I generally only think a merge is suitable if a) there is content that can be migrated into the other article (not appropriate for a list) and b) somebody is likely to type the term into the "search" box. Ritchie333 <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:30, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * About a) the relevant list includes a description field which is where the content can be merged to, it is highly suitable to merge material from the article to there. There's right now a wordy description (after I removed it from a footnote), which could be edited with material from the article.  Or for another example, one of the article's photos might be put into a new images column in the list-table.  b) It's quite likely a reader will type "b2177" in Wikipedia and will then be happy that the search suggests "B2177 road", as the Wikipedia search currently does.  That could be could be a redirect to the B2177 row in the list-table, i.e. to B roads in Zone 2 of the Great Britain numbering scheme. -- do  ncr  am  16:10, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * According to statistics here (using the month before the AfD opened for a fair comparison), "B2177" would seem to get typed in on average twice a day, about 1/100,000 of similar figures to Facebook. Since two of those could be bot scrapers, perhaps it's more likely 0 a day. So from those figures, I would say it's unlikely to be a valid search term. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:25, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep preferred, otherwise merge/redirect. It is not a fraud, it exists, and there is some content/context given, and it is effectively a significant geographic feature (wp:geoland?). Note there is strange inappropriate footnote providing too much of article text in corresponding list article, for this highway alone. From before first afd, since 2 January 2008, as if there is something contentious about this B highway alone (and why is it being afd'd again?). Previous general discussion linked above had poll with most common response that B roads should be accepted or merged/redirected to a list. Have a new general discussion by RFC perhaps; this afd is not right forum.-- do ncr  am  06:59, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The long-standing conesensus is that roads at the A-level or better are notable; others should, unless they pass the GNG indvidually, be sorted in a list, I believe - The Bushranger One ping only 09:51, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to B roads in Zone 2 of the Great Britain numbering scheme as this route does not appear to be individually notable, but is suitable for inclusion in the list and is an extremely plausible redirect. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:51, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 04:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge into a subsection of the A27 article. If the B2177 used to be part of the A27, then a subsection in the article covering that road can cover the B2177. Mjroots (talk) 20:32, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin - this has now been relisted twice, I think it's fair to say that there is no consensus to keep. Jeni  ( talk ) 22:25, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails GNG. There are no sources either for this article. '''Class455fan1 (talk) 22:34, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect at best as a compromise because it is questionably independently notable but may not exactly need to be deleted. SwisterTwister   talk  05:43, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete it's just a random stretch of road, hardly the A3. Shritwod (talk) 03:28, 12 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and above. As much as I like to document a record of every major/minor road in the UK, its hardly going to happen. Nordic   Dragon  10:24, 12 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.