Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BAP System


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The result was   redirect to Draw by agreement. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 17:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

BAP System

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Seldomly used scoring system in chess, very little independent coverage, and what I can find are blogs, or brief mentions during interviews with Clint Ballard, the system's inventor (and the initial contributor to the article). The fact that no high-level international tournaments have used it indicates that it remains a very obscure way of discouraging draws (compared, for example, to Sofia rules which doesn't have an article despite being used in several top-level tournaments). Sjakkalle (Check!)  10:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. For those unfamiliar with Sopia draw rules, see Draw by agreement.  The nominator is correct about the system being invented by Ballard, named for himself, and perhaps never being used outside his tournaments.  He also initially wrote about it for Wikipedia. (see User:Clint Ballard.) Ballard directed four United States Chess Federation tournaments over a period of less than a year and hasn't directed any since the 2006 GM slugfest (mentioned in the article). The point of that is that the system probably hasn't been used since.  Bubba73 (Who's attacking me now?), 19:53, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * and redirect to Draw by agreement, since there is more than one paragraph about it there. Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 06:24, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Redirect to Draw by agreement. Though the system is an interesting way to discourage draws for White, it is not sufficiently important to have its own article.  Also, as stated by both Bubba73 and the nominator, the system is barely tested.  Perhaps, in the unlikely event that this point system reached international useage, I would support this article.  GrandMattster 21:28, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge to Elo or Draw Draw by agreement. BAP system should have a mention somewhere! SunCreator (talk) 22:53, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see any relationship between BAP and Elo. The BAP system does have two paragraphs under Draw by agreement.  Bubba73 (You talking to me?), 00:40, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, and that's probably all it deserves. GrandMattster 20:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. Draw_by_agreement is what I was thinking of. The reason I thought of Elo is that taking draws makes your Elo less accurate so thought the problem of draws could of been covered in that article. SunCreator (talk) 00:26, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, there is a relationship between draws and rating. However if a player is very concerned about their rating, they will avoid a draw with a lower-rated player if they think they can win.  Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 00:34, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.