Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BEST High School (Kirkland, Washington)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Speedy Keep - Withdrawn by nominator, no other delete !votes. --  At am a  頭 06:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

BEST High School (Kirkland, Washington)

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The article has no claims to notability, aside from recently-reverted (apparent) self-promotion from a teacher mentioned in a local paper. I've done a search for coverage to indicate notability but I've come up empty. Per WP:SCHOOL, it was proposed that all high schools merit inclusion but that guideline was rejected. Absent evidence of notability the article should be deleted. --  At am a  頭 18:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Considering the discovery of sources that suggest at least weak notability, the overwhelming support for keeping the article, and the lack of support for deletion I would prefer to withdraw the nomination of deletion for the article. --  At am a  頭 06:40, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  --  At am a  頭  18:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Secondary schools are generally kept and there are WP:V/WP:RS available for school. tedder (talk) 18:17, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - I should have mentioned that this is an alternative school, with a very small faculty and fewer than 200 students. The usual arguments for keeping high schools shouldn't apply here; in fact I would argue that it is less notable than most middle or primary schools. --  At am a  頭 18:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Alternative schools are still schools; are you implying that a secondary school must have N students to be notable? tedder (talk) 18:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm suggesting that all articles should meet the basic notability requirements for inclusion, or merit some other inclusion criteria (like something at WP:BIO). There currently is nothing for schools beyond WP:N or possibly WP:CORP, neither of which this article would pass. If you want to argue that it should be kept because most high school articles are kept, it's worth exploring why high schools are kept when middle and elementary schools are not. Other than size, what is the difference? --  At am a  頭 18:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The discussion of which schools should be kept is sort of a metadiscussion, isn't it? The primary vs secondary argument has been somewhat covered by SCHOOL and Articles for deletion/Common outcomes. However, this school can easily be found with verifiable/reliable sources, such as NCES and NAAS, not to mention at the local government/education district level. tedder (talk) 18:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean, "easily found". Are you referring to sources that verify the existence of the school? I won't argue that. Sources that cover the school in depth? That's different. I tried finding such without success, if you have better luck than myself in doing that and can show that the school is notable then my reason for nominating this article is rendered moot and I'll withdraw. Without such coverage this nomination will stand. --  At am a  頭 19:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Define "in depth". Are you looking for verbose, or for many facts about the school? Both NCES and NAAS give some decent information (enrollment, grades served, staffing). That's certainly more than mere existence. tedder (talk) 19:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That kind of public information can be found for any school. Even the elementary school I went to as a child has that kind of coverage. Something like a book written about it, a newspaper article written about the school (not one that mentions it in passing, such as talking about a teacher or student who went to the school). Something along those lines is generally what we look for in any Wikipedia article. I don't suppose that every school that ever existed should have an article on Wikipedia. --  At am a  頭 19:26, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep per tedder. In addition (although I would not require it for a high school), a Google News search does turn up some WP:RS sources that coverthe school and its efforts on behalf of disadvantaged or disabled kids, including some amusing/inspiring stuff about its "Rock School." A few examples: I don't think this legitimate, evidently admirable, and at least locally notable institution is the appropriate test case for blowing up the long-accepted consensus that legitimate high schools qualify for articles. --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:08, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'd like to point out that "Rock School" is completely independent of BEST, per your own sources, and the notability of one shouldn't be conflated with the other. It just happens to have taken place in the same building. The other articles only mention the school in passing. --  At am a  頭 19:14, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

*Delete This isn't about the middle school. Writing about the school is simply an excuse for bringing in dirt about two different persons who happened to have taught at the school. Forget WP:ORG, I'd worry more about WP:BLP. I'm waiting for someone to add a story about a teacher touching someone's breast. Mandsford (talk) 19:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't understand your comment, which doesn't seem to have any connection to the article at question here. You posted exactly the same comment at Articles for deletion/Charles S. Rushe Middle School, referencing a school in Florida--perhaps your post here was in error?  --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Definitely! I don't know how that happened, but thanks for pointing it out.  In this case, it's Keep.  I had a real good statement about how it shouldn't make a difference that BEST High is an alternative school and that high schools are inherently notable and so on and so forth and apparently saved something else right over the top of it.  I talk too much. Mandsford (talk) 23:01, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I admit that I don't understand that deletion argument either, and I'm the one who nominated this for deletion in the first place. --  At am a  頭 19:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - It's notable. It's a high school, it has operated for 42 years, it's an alternative school (meaning unusual curriculum), etc., etc. Those are attributes of notability -- not to mention the teacher who got significant recognition and the "Rock School" that operates on its campus. Furthermore, although I have not yet seen a third-party source that could be used as the sole basis for a well-developed encyclopedia article, I've found plenty of 3rd-party sources providing coverage: articles comparing the school's annual test scores and dropout rate to other schools in the area, articles about BEST students participating in various events, the CV of the architect who designed it, and even a couple of published items that I included in the article as references. --Orlady (talk) 05:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: I've yet to see a high school article deleted (other than vandalism), and I concur with that consensus, regardless of the size of the high school.--Milowent (talk) 05:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.