Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BMW 3 Series (F30)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:20, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

BMW 3 Series (F30)

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This is about a future automobile and should be deleted based on WP:CRYSTALBALL. heat_fan1 (talk) 12:26, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

This is a project number of a new car project which is useful information. New cars are worked on for many years before being released. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.112.232.22  (talk • contribs)  09:42, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Granted, but this is not information that BMW has released. It's unreferenced information, which, according to WP:CRYSTALBALL, should not be included in Wikipedia: "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred."heat_fan1 (talk) 15:10, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:CRYSTAL. This is speculation until BMW releases official information or information becomes available via some other reliable source. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  15:54, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not voting for keep or delete, but if the article can get reliable sources added to it during the next week, then I see no reason for deletion. Convertible Music (talk) 21:38, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. This information is verifiable. (I added a reliable, secondary source as a reference in the article.) Since it is verifiable, this addresses the primary concern of WP:CRYSTAL. Manufacturers typically keep product development secret, so it is not unusual that BMW has not published anything about this model. The article remains in need of expansion. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 13:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment I think this issue deserves a broader discussion in WP:AUTOMOBILE. The issue is that since BMW has not made any announcements related to this car, any source that can be referenced is speculating.  Thus, indirectly, this article is based on speculation.  In general, however, articles about cars have not been added until the car is announced in some measure by the manufacturer.  Industry publications speculate that cars are "going" to be produced years in advance, some of which become true and some of which don't.  I still think this article should go until BMW acknowledges it.heat_fan1 (talk) 12:55, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Article edited to say that the F30 "is reported to be" the next generation 3 series. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 13:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * All that has done is confirm that it doesn't belong in WP according to WP:CRYSTALBALL, point #2. -heat_fan1 (talk) 21:19, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Disagree. There is not a "systematic pattern or predetermined list" that BMW uses to internally name its platforms. This part of crystal ball is meant to stop people from writing an article called BMW 3 Series (F31) just because it is next in line. Such an article would not be verifiable. If you view the Template:BMW cars, you will see that there is no pattern. If there is such a pattern internal to the BMW corporation, then many models drop off in early stages of development (i.e., where is the E62?). This is where secondary sources must be used for verifiability. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 12:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. A second reliable, secondary source has been added to the article, expanding the verifiability of this future event. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 12:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: Notice of this debate has been posted on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles to get input from WP:AUTOMOBILE as mentioned above. -- ¢Spender1983 (talk) 12:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep verifiable published sources have confirmed that this will be the model designation for the next 3 series. I see no reason not to keep this stub and expand it as information becomes available. --Leivick (talk) 19:41, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment, per the WP:CAR conventions, WP:CRYSTALBALL applies if there has been no official announcement of the model. If there are sources which suggest that BMW have acknowledged that a model codenamed F30 is under development, then that might be enough? If not, then I guess this article shouldn't exist until such sources are found. Letdorf (talk) 11:47, 10 May 2010 (UTC).
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