Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BMW Motorcycle Owners of America


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Stifle (talk) 15:33, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

BMW Motorcycle Owners of America

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This article has been tagged for lack of notability since April 2008 yet from what I can see in the history no attempt has been made to expand the article, nor to add references. It is a club for a single make of motorcycle based in a single country. I believe it is about an unremarkable organisation and should be deleted. Biker Biker (talk) 12:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * NOTE: I reinstated this as it looks like I may not have created it correctly in the first place. Apologies for any finger trouble on my part. --Biker Biker (talk) 16:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep This is a worldwide organization, not a single country . It is the largest single-marque motorcycle club in the world not run by a manufacturer (unlike HOG).  Its data is substantiated.  BMW MOA's notability is beyond question. My only suspicion here is that "Biker Biker" does not like the brand that is the subject of this association and therefore seeks its deletion.  In contrast, he does not seek the deletion of HOG, which is full of completely undocumented claims, and therefore would be a better target for his attention. R69S (talk) 13:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep
 * Although the article is not a perfect article, I see no reason to delete it. Sitethief (talk) 23:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Arguments for or against deletion should probably speak to WP:ORG. Significant in-depth coverage in reliable independent sources is what is usually needed. Drawn Some (talk) 23:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep They run a notable annual rally--see Google News archive and publish a  magazine that's in Ulrich's. It's perfectly reasonable that the principle club for this brand would be notable. DGG (talk) 02:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:NOTDIR The media coverage is mostly about the impact of the large rallies carried out by this group, not this group itself, when and where it was founded, the names and photos of the founders, their headquarters location and what they publish.  This is phone book/who's who-type directory data.  A list of dates and places of rallies belongs in a directory.  An encyclopedic topic would be to describe the importance of the rally events, and would include comparison/contrast with other rallies by such groups as BMW Riders Association (which should also be deleted).  I don't support a merge.  Delete and start fresh with a new approach to the subject. --Dbratland (talk) 16:28, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. There is sufficient coverage found in news, as well as in books (amazon, google) to meet WP:ORG and/or WP:PSTS. tedder (talk) 16:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep . Why focus on this association? It is substantially more significant than nearly all of those Wiki-listed groups listed in the List of motorcycle clubs or here: List of outlaw motorcycle clubs.  All of these groups should be deleted if BMW MOA is deleted. R69S (talk) 23:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC) *Additional comments are welcome but please only one bolded !vote per discussion. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment while I agree with you on the keep, note "what about article x?" or "other stuff exists" are logical fallacies on Wikipedia.. tedder (talk) 23:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.