Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BURDEN (film)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete per lack of reliable sources at this time. It may be appropriate to revisit this issue after the film is released to see if it then becomes inclusion-worthy. Userfication for that purpose is available upon request. Shereth 16:50, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

BURDEN (film)

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NN film, fails WP:CRYSTAL Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 05:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. BURDEN is a short film that is nominated for many awards with many links that can show this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyncho14 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you provide reliable sources? Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 05:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1439527/ IMDB BURDEN PAGE

FESTIVALS

http://aoffest.com/pdf/OfficialFilmScheduleAOF2009.pdf AOF screenings page

http://aoffest.com/2009-nom-results.html AOF Nomination Results, Shows BURDEN's nominations

http://www.amritsa.com/eire/index.htm International Film Festival of Ireland shows BURDEN and Michael D. Lynch

Writer Director Producer http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2253518/ Michael David Lynch IMDB

NEWS

http://www.scifiscoop.com/news/teaser-trailer-for-short-sci-fi-film-burden/ sci fi scoop Burden write up

http://www.screenmag.com/story.l9?p=565 screen mag write up on Burden

MAIN CAST

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0191520/ Peter Cullen IMDB --Lyncho14 (talk) 06:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)comment added by Lyncho14 (talk • contribs) 06:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not reliable sources. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 06:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Imdb is a reliable source, you can see the trailer on the website and her Peter Cullen's Voice. You can also listen to Peter's voice on other videos to compare. Burden does exhist, but it should be moved into the film portal. How do we move it to the film portal. I am new to this and I'm trying to understand this new world.--Lyncho14 (talk) 06:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * IMDB is not a reliable source in that it is user-edited just like Wikipedia is. In addition, it says the film exists, we don't dispute that.  Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 06:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * When did IMDB become a blanket non-reliable source? Although it relies on user input, it is hardly user edited "just like Wikipedia is," given editoial control over the content that gets added to IMDB.  In the past, IMDB was deemed a reliable source for some items but not others.  For example, Reliable Source Examples states that "Trivia on sites such as IMDb or FunTrivia should not be used as sources. These media do not have adequate levels of editorial oversight or author credibility and lack assured persistence." but does not reject IMDB as a source for all information. Rlendog (talk) 16:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, IMDB is not "user-edited". Users (as well as industry and industry professionals and experts) may submit to the database, and submissions are not published by IMDB until after they are vetted. Wikipedia accepts that IMDB may be a valuable tool for directing one's search for sources, but because IMDB does not give full disclosure of their entire vetting processes, Wikipedia feels that it is not WP:RS for establishing notability. See: WP:Citing IMDB, Where IMDB gets its information and the discussions on Wikipedia talk:Citing IMDb. There has been no consensus upon just what parts might be acceptable and what parts might not. And even if certain informations contained therein might be eventualy found acceptable, they would not in and of themselves establish notability.  So efforts must always be made to confirm elsewhere anything offered by IMDB. In this case the question is rendered moot, as the existance of this film and its impending release has already been amply confirmed in sources outside of IMDB. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 05:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

So what are you disputing? So that I can clearly understand how to move forward?--Lyncho14 (talk) 06:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see Notability (films). Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 06:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

By having Peter Cullen the voice of Optimus Prime doesn't that help make it WP:NTEFILM It's the first new character he has played in 5 years according to his imdb page. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0191520/
 * Delete. It's not WP:CRYSTAL since it's due to premiere in ten days, but it's also a 10 min. short that hasn't been seen or much written about yet (I'm not sure how significant the Screen Magazine article is, considering we don't have a page on the publication). At this time, it doesn't satisfy WP:NOTFILM. If it takes the world by storm on July 25, it can always be recreated. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Peter Cullen has two projects out this summer Transformers Revenge of the Fallen and a short film project BURDEN (film), Transformers just set records at the Box office and here Peter Cullen works on a Giant Blockbuster and on the side does this indie short film. How often does that happen where some one as big as Peter Cullen working on a short indie film? It may even be Peter Cullen's first short film, or at least his first short film in 50 years. Isn't that notable? --Lyncho14 (talk) 07:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited. Did you read the notability link I provided above?  Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 07:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  -- the wub  "?!"  10:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, also Wikipedia is not your website. Darrenhusted (talk) 10:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete CoI, NN; if references are improved to demonstrate notability then Weak Keep. -Falcon8765 (talk) 21:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep or Userfy without prejudice and allow return in a few weeks once WP:NF can be better met. I just myself gave the article a needed sandblasting for format and style and explained myself on the author's talk page. if deleted, I urge a closer to userfy the article to the author at User:Lyncho14/sandbox/Burden (film).  MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 05:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is another news source from a formal newspaper. I'm learning lots about Wikipedia, thanks for the Help, didn't know about the Sandbox etc... The Ann Arbor Michigan News Paper just did a write up on BURDEN, Ann Arbor's newspaper has a 174-year history. How do I add this to the reference list? The website link is below. http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2009/07/local_building_project_documen_1.html  --Lyncho14 (talk) 19:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have added it to the article and modified my opinion above. As its premiere date gets closer, it seems to be getting more toward meeting WP:GNG. Its slim still, yes... but it appears to be gaining momentum. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 20:02, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
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