Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BYU College of Family, Home and Social Sciences


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  13:22, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

BYU College of Family, Home and Social Sciences

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The article is only supported by primary sources and, despite its name, is really just a department within BYU. Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 21:43, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:54, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep This is a college in the general sense of the word, that is so large some of its sub-units are denoted as schools. It is a major portion of the university and is clearly notable. If the article is to be deleted, the contents need to be merged into the larger article on BYU. The sources include a published book and an article in a published newspaper, neither of which can be relegated to the label "primary source".John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:41, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I completely disagree with your analysis per WP:VERIFIABILITY. The book was published by the university itself and is therefore not independent of the subject, and the newspaper article is an obituary and not about the department. The RFC at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES requiring independent sources for schools should also apply to their departments.4meter4 (talk) 11:32, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Coincidentally I came across researcher Sarah Coyne today, who (in)famously studied the link between Disney princesses and generally negative gender stereotypes. The common name for the college/department/unit/sub-unit is "BYU School of Family Life", here's a google news search for that. It's addressed as such in this article, another researcher is mentioned under that name in this article, and there are certainly others under that search. None of those are about the department, but the alternate name might help for those trying to find references to it. tedder (talk) 19:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * BYU School of Family Life is a sub-unit of this college. Notice, one is a school, the other is a college. Other sub-units are the School of Social Work, the Department of Polytical Science, the Department of History, the Department of Psychology, the Department of Anthropology (which the article spends a chunk of information on, including some of its sub-units), the Department of Economic, the Department of Georgraphy, and there are a few more.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:37, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per Johnpacklambert. tedder (talk) 09:06, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment note I am biased on this (see my user page), but I could see this going both ways. At BYU, the college in question is at the same level of organization as, for example, the J. Reuben Clark Law School, (which per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES would be kept) and according to this source is the largest college at BYU. At the same time, it lacking in independent sources with significant coverage, that would be an argument for deletion. At the least, I'd argue for a merge to BYU. Rollidan (talk) 19:38, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect - to BYU. We give a specific pass to law schools and med schools only. Nothing close to WP:NORG shown. John from Idegon (talk) 20:34, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:19, 31 October 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment Since I studied for over 3 years in this college, I am not an unbiased person on the coverage. Bear in mind, in two of those years our college alumni of the year who spoke at a Thursday meeting during homecoming week (provided by the Devotional open block Tursday morning at 11), was a history department grad. While I was there Magleby, a political scientist, was the college dean. This is one issue that some people may not have considered. Actions of the BYU history department, georgraphy department, etc, are not always going to be tagged as related to the college they are in. For example here is the announcement of the BYU History Department's first endowed chair (althoughat that time a history professor, Ignacio Garcia, held an endowed chair through the Charles H. Redd Center for Western US History, don't ask why that is not a sub-unit of the history department, it has to do with a long history related to moves between the history department of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and BYU in the 1970s and 1980s, although not fully played out until about 2010 when many of the early moves were reversed with the rise of the Joseph Smith Papers Project, as I say, a long history), the article never mentions this college outside of the heading.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Britishfinance (talk) 21:50, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm not sure why hardly any editors are commenting here. There are nothing but primary sources for this article. None of the keep votes are based in wikipedia policy. I'd appreciate some comments from people familiar with policy. Thanks.4meter4 (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Articles from a regional newspaper such as the Deseret News are not primary sources. So there are clearly non-primary sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:05, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * There are no articles in the Deseret News about this topic cited in the article or in this discussio. An obituary on a faculty member hardly counts towards RS.4meter4 (talk) 03:23, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I just dug up about Matt Easton and the huge coverage of his speech to this college.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * An article on a speech is still not an article about the school/department. Find an article where the BYU College of Family, Home and Social Sciences is the main subject please.4meter4 (talk) 03:39, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


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