Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ba Sing Se (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. While it's difficult to call two opinions a consensus, I agree that the policies and guidelines referred to in the opinions are applicable and persuasive in this case. Also, while certainly not grounds for deletion, the almost complete lack of third party WP:V sources after over a year and a half of development is also a factor. Pigman ☿ 04:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Ba Sing Se
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The article was previously nominated for deletion, but was kept with no consensus. I believe the article should still be deleted. Though, as some users argued, the article discusses some notable points with relation to the show (Avatar: The Last Airbender), this article is way too detailed. When only a short summary would suffice, whole sections are dedicated to encyclopedic information. For instance, there is a three-paragraph section dedicated to the royal palace, when only one-paragraph describing what happened in the royal palace would suffice. In addition, the article is nowhere near properly sourced. In fact, it could be argued that there is a lot of synthesized original research in the article (though I will not particularly make this accusation, as I have not fully analyzed the article).

To place what I just said in better terms: A lot of the article does not fall under WP:NOT or WP:FICTION; A lot of the article does fall under WP:DUE; There are few reliable sources and even fewer third-party sources; The article might have some WP:SYNTH. — Parent5446 (t [ n] c k e [ l]) 19:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   — — Parent5446 (t [ n] c k e [ l]) 19:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: The Avatar: The Last Airbender WikiProject has been notified of this discussion.   — Parent5446 (t [ n] c k e [ l]) 19:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete The article absolutely fails WP:PLOT and WP:FICTION. There are two pieces of sourced real world content, neither of which provides real world context for Ba Sing Se without violating WP:SYNTH. One of the sources is about real world China and makes no mention of Avatar. Making the claim that the two are directly connected is original research. The other bit of real world content is about Avatar as a whole, which does not justify an separate article under WP:N. In this case not only are we lacking sources with sufficient real world content about Ba Sing Se, we're lacking sources that even mention Ba Sing Se. The rest of the article is overly detailed plot, so there's no point in a merge. Jay32183 (talk) 06:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


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