Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Babajide Oluwase


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The result was keep‎ __EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Aoidh (talk) 05:24, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Babajide Oluwase

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Nigerian adviser to Economic Community of West African States and European Union (EU) Delegation to Nigeria on Green and Digital Economy, not elected office; an environmental sustainability advocate and a cleantech entrepreneur and the author of fictional story book 'Young Climate Heroes', which has impacted 7,000 students on the basics of sustainability and climate change - this subject is not notable in political role, entrepreneurial role (NCORP and all that) or as an author (WP:NAUTHOR). We are trying very, very hard, we might be gushingly promotional, but we are not ultimately notable. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:45, 21 March 2023 (UTC) [][] [] [][[] [] [] [] [].Epcc12345 (talk) 16:40, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles (talk) 12:59, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Nigeria. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:45, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep- Please kindly look closely the sources listed below, is significant enough for him to pass notability and they are reliable and independently(Secondary) references aswell. [][][]
 * Delete Article not satisfy WP:BASIC or WP:ANYBIO, agree with that its borderline WP:PROMOTION as is not strictly WP:NPOV MetricMaster (talk) 10:20, 23 March 2023 (UTC) This user has made 47 edits to Wikipedia. Their contribution history shows that 38 of these were to AFD discussions. The account exists for votestacking and has been blocked.
 * Comment How does the source above not meet WP:Basic or WP:GNG when there is enough notable secondary sources to prove it especially this New Telegraph[] Nigerian Tribune[]BellaNaija[] World Economic Forum[], Earth Charter[] and most of the listed above that has already proven he has received good number of good coverage to meet Notability.And I have made adjustment for it to be on neutral perspective and look closely each words on the article are all backed with references.Epcc12345 (talk) 12:32, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Struck content from confirmed sock above, per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. North America1000 08:36, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comments - Per WP:SIGCOV found from WP: RS on BellaNaija Nigerian Tribune New Telegraph World Economic ForumEarth Charter proves he qualifies WP: Basic and even WP: GNG And also a Global Entrepreneurship Summit Covid Resilience award winner see [] most likely qualify WP:ANYBIO Keep.111.94.74.218 (talk) 13:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That is literally this IP's only contribution to Wikipedia. Grief. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:41, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for admitting you didn't checked all the sources but please kindly look at below reference closely especially the first three they meets (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV) and most especially qualify WP:BASIC and WP:GNG[] [][] [],[].High Regards.Epcc12345 (talk) 13:46, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

My analysis from a paragraph on source one (1) [] .Proves it a secondary (independent from the subject) and it from reliable source aswell (Nigeria National newspaper) and if you read other paragraph it satisfied WP: SIR (Significant, independent and Reliable)
 * Keep - per WP:BASIC WP:GNG the source above are secondary sources and independent of the subjects.

Sources 2: [] The above is an after- analysis of the huge event award which he won see Proves it qualify WP: SIR aswell.Same apply to source 3: see. Pass WP:SIR Which makes him notable enough. This makes him not only qualify WP:GNG but also WP:Basic. Robin499 (talk) 19:46, 5 April 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 02:03, 6 April 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: One final relist to see if consensus can be established. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Aoidh (talk) 21:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Source eval requested above:
 * Meets IS, RS with SIGCOV :: https://www.newtelegraphng.com/rate-of-food-spoilage-in-sub-saharan-african-countries-alarming/
 * Fails, "Meet the winner" promo story :: https://tribuneonlineng.com/meet-the-winner-of-zenith-bank-tech-fair/
 * Fails, hackathon contest, mentions subject, Does not mention subject :: https://leadership.ng/zenith-tech-fair-2-0-finalists-take-home-n53m-in-prize-money/
 * Fails, First paragraph clearly shows this is promo for the subject :: https://www.bellanaija.com/2020/12/babajide-oluwase-of-renewdrive-is-our-bellanaijamcm-this-week/
 * Two promo refs, one ref that doesn't mention subject and one that passes IS RS SIGCOV. Still fails GNG and more importantly it fails WP:BLP.  // Timothy :: talk  21:31, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Reply evaluation: I am sorry for chuckling in, but

on the Hackathon Contest he won below are ref where his name was mentioned as against the earlier one which had his company name and an interview ref after he won the award[] []

https://tribuneonlineng.com/meet-the-winner-of-zenith-bank-tech-fair/ it not a promotion but an independent coverage by the Nigerian national newspaper afterwards of the huge publicity he gained receiving the award.
 * And this is also an afterwards of the awards publications that you termed ' promotional'


 * When someone wins an important events or awards it brings About huge publicity that is majorly Independent of the subjects.
 * That publications is not promotional, just as the interview that was granted.
 * The publications in this Contest is significant because of the award he won and it coming from a reliable source aswell.
 * The award alone is a good potential aswell for him to pass WP: ANYBIO aswell.

And also on the second good ref which you also termed promotional https://www.bellanaija.com/2020/12/babajide-oluwase-of-renewdrive-is-our-bellanaijamcm-this-week/

'''If you are conversant with BellaNaija publications they usually Frontline african celebrities or entrepreneur or footballers etc that made impacts for the week or months. Just as we have team or players of the week or months that made headlines in football. If a Media house write a publications on the subjects does it makes it promotional?'''


 * In this Contest and Wikipedia terms, it no where near promotional and by that passes the WP:GNG
 * Promotions is when, the subjects hasn't made an impacts or headlines and a publications is frabricated but this wasn't the case in this atall.


 * The two sources https://tribuneonlineng.com/meet-the-winner-of-zenith-bank-tech-fair/, https://www.bellanaija.com/2020/12/babajide-oluwase-of-renewdrive-is-our-bellanaijamcm-this-week/ are not promotional but a significant, independent coverage of the subjects


 * With the additional source Epcc12345 provided below again. are good sources and it more than enough with https://www.newtelegraphng.com/rate-of-food-spoilage-in-sub-saharan-african-countries-alarming/ Which you said pass the byline.


 * This article has more than enough reliable, independent and significant coverage to pass notability. Robin499 (talk) 08:56, 19 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Comments: Please kindly look at the additional provided four references they are reliable sources from World Economic Forum, Earth Charter, University of Iowa and Nigeria Energy Forum [][][][] Epcc12345 (talk) 00:35, 18 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: These, , , are IS RS with SIGCOV bios dealing with the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  09:34, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: When you want to demonstrate notability or convince others to keep, spamming lots of refs and walls of text (especially with disparaging comments) is counter-productive. People rarely read walls of text, and when they do they are annoyed by them because they are unnecessary and time consuming. What did above was perfect: present ~3-5 of what you consider the best sources showing notability (ones that are indisputably independent, reliable and that address the subject directly and indepth. Then ask other editors to review them. No more is needed and this simple method is very effective. ~3-5 sources and if you can sustain 2 of them, you have a persuasive case for keeping.
 * Now here is the important part: Epcc12345 posted these sources 15 days ago, but I didn't see them because they were lost in walls of text. Walls of text and spamming as many links as possible is counter-productive to discussions and to a position, whether delete or keep.
 * The most effective Keep points will always be focused of the best sources (not every mention that can be found) and have concise and direct points based in policy and guidelines. And if your goal is to persuade someone, derogatory comments are going to hurt not help your cause (no one did so here, but it is common on other AfDs).
 * Finally, even if you do not persuade an editor or they do not respond, the closer will weigh those sources and they will have an impact. However if they are lost in walls of text and unnecessary lists of links, the closer might miss them.  // Timothy :: talk  09:34, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment 2: as the nom, can you take a look at the above refs, not doubting your gf nom and BEFORE, because I missed these as well. Thanks,  // Timothy :: talk  09:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey Timothy - all four of those sources are submitted bios in sections similar to 'our members' and not at all independent of the authour. I'm afraid none of them would contribute to a WP:GNG argument. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:48, 20 April 2023 (UTC)


 * You have made your points, obscuring your clear and concise post with more clutter will not help editors reading the discussion, and will not help your cause.  // Timothy :: talk  16:21, 20 April 2023 (UTC)


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