Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Babar Azam statistics in International Cricket


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Yunshui 雲 水 13:30, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Babar Azam statistics in International Cricket

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Fails WP:NOTSTATSBOOK and is an unnecessary content fork. It is not common practice to have pages that are just stat listing for individual players, and since some of this is more advanced stats, like a performance breakdown per opponent, I think a merge to Babar Azam would give the stats undue content weight. An external link to the relevant stats page, like how we link to Baseball-Reference to baseball players' stats, would suffice in this situation. Hog Farm (talk) 02:55, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 02:55, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 02:55, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - this is horrendous. It fails just about every criteria for what wikipedia is about, has no realistic notability and is either a direct copy from stats websites or original research based on those statistics. Blue Square Thing (talk) 06:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:07, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:NOTSTATS,WP:NOTMIRROR. I thought this had already been removed, but maybe that was just from the parent article and the editor is trying a different route. Spike &#39;em (talk) 07:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * May need to add Draft:Babar Azam Statistics which is the same content. As above, I removed this content from Babar Azam last month. Spike &#39;em (talk) 08:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I have listed the essentially identical draft at MfD. See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Babar Azam Statistics. Hog Farm (talk) 21:27, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. Per WP:NOTSTATS and that red font and green background is horrific to the eyes! StickyWicket (talk) 18:52, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nominator and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. The draft can be deleted along with this article.  There is no established method of bundling an MFD with an AFD, but common sense is to quasi-bundle them.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:04, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I've never done a quasi-bundle before. How would I go about doing that? Hog Farm (talk) 22:20, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Hog Farm - Of course not. That's because I invented the term just now.  Just discuss the article, and this AFD and the MFD link back to each other, and let the closer deal with the MFD in the same way as the AFD.  If we agree that this article can be sent to the bit bucket, then the draft can go in with it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge into the main page for Babar Azam. It can be edited from there. PenulisHantu (talk) 04:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Textbook WP:NOTSTATS.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:58, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Dual merge into Babar Azam per and Draft:Babar Azam Statistics, per my comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Babar Azam Statistics. If these charts are already in Babar Azam and were created there first, then delete is fine; however, if they were created in this article first, WP:ATT requires us to preserve the attribution history and merge. Doug Mehus  T · C  14:47, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The tables were created in the article, but were removed per WP:NOTSTATS. This article was then created afterwards.  I think WP:NOTSTATS applies here very clearly. Hog Farm (talk) 18:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , Where were they created first, at Babar Azam or this article? That matters in terms of "redirect" or "delete." I realize that the stats were moved per WP:NOTSTATS, though that isn't a firm rule. It's case-by-case based on the subject area editors. I've seen lots of articles with stats in them. If the subject area editors have a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS to include, they can be included. Nevertheless, that's really neither here nor there. What matters if the stats, while not in the current iteration of Babar Azam, were added to this article, then my !vote is redirect/dual merge. Otherwise, if they were copied to this article, delete is the correct result. I maintain that Draft:Babar Azam Statistics can survive irrespective of this AfD as to delete it would be inordinately BITEy and there are no notability guidelines in draft space. Doug Mehus T · C  22:35, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * This article was only created after the information was added to the main article twice and removed each time (by me). Unless there is clear consensus to include them at WP:CRIC I'd do the same if they were added again. Spike &#39;em (talk) 21:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , Okay, then delete is fine for this article. However, know that one does not need to obtain consensus for inclusion at WP:CRIC because, frankly, local consensus can exist, and does exist, on many, many articles that favour the inclusion of sports statistics. Doug Mehus T · C  22:36, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the issue is less getting a consensus to have the stats, but more that an entire article containing literally only unexplained statistics goes against a lot of what Wikipedia is not. Also, the way the statistics are set up suggests that they are either WP:OR or just copied straight off of some other website, both of which would likely be innapropriate for the only content in an article. I personally have no opinion on having some of these stats in the Babar Azam article, but I feel like having a page solely for publishing these stats is not policy-based. Hog Farm (talk) 23:30, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , Using statistics from one or more websites, provided it's not a wholesale cut-and-paste, is entirely appropriate, as long inline citations are provided to the applicable websites to attribute to the source. It wouldn't be WP:OR if these statistics were reliably sourced, but in terms of whether it's appropriate, what I'm talking about is for junior or even NHL hockey teams and the like whereby, as part of a section of the hockey team's article, we include a table of the team's performance by year. It's not giving undue weight to the statistics. Nevertheless, it sounds like we're more or less on the same page here. Doug Mehus T · C  23:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


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