Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Babu Gogineni (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Spartaz Humbug! 15:47, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Babu Gogineni
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Passing mention in most of the references in the article, of which many are not WP:INDEPENDENT, and some are written by the subject himself (WP:SELF). The only thing notable is him being the former "Executive Director" of an NGO - International Humanist and Ethical Union. I'm not aware of a particular policy for such organizations within WP:BIO, hence would like to compare it with WP:NPOL, that is "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline.", ergo not enough coverage in reliable independent sources. Just to note some of the present board of directors and present CEO of this organisation don't have articles in Wikipedia - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:44, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:44, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Spirituality, India,  and Telangana. &mdash;  Karnataka  talk  10:16, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: I'm surprised the article survived the first time. As per my research the only notable position this person held is Executive Director of IHEU. If we observe this Britannica article on IHEU there is no mention of Executive Director in the list of members of Executive Committee and even on International Humanist and Ethical Union Wikipedia page there is no mention of this Executive Director position as one of the important people of this organisation under organisation section of article. So, Executive Director is an employee and not a member of Board of Directors. There are still positions above Executive Director in this organisation such as Vice-president, President, and so on. So I go with delete as per nomination. -  MRRaja001  (talk) 22:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep : As a contributor to this article, I firmly believe that it should be kept and improved rather than deleted.
 * Firstly, Babu Gogineni has had a significant impact in various fields, making him a notable figure. He has been a prominent humanist, rationalist, and social activist, advocating for critical thinking, secularism, and human rights. His contributions to these areas have garnered attention both nationally and internationally. Furthermore, he has been featured in various media outlets and has participated in numerous public debates and discussions, which further underscores his notability.
 * I understand the concern regarding the quality of references in the article. However, it is crucial to acknowledge that Wikipedia's policies allow for improving and updating articles over time. As a contributor, I am committed to enhancing the article by finding and adding more reliable and reputable sources that meet Wikipedia's citation standards. I am also open to working collaboratively with other editors to ensure the references are of the highest quality possible.
 * While I respect the concerns about Wikipedia's editorial standards, I firmly believe that the core principle of Wikipedia is to include information on noteworthy subjects, and Babu Gogineni certainly falls within that scope. Deleting the article entirely would be a disservice to Wikipedia's commitment to providing comprehensive and well-sourced information to its readers.
 * Furthermore, it is essential to consider the significance of Babu Gogineni's role as the ex-officio Executive Director for the International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU), now called Humanists International. The IHEU is a globally recognized organization that promotes humanism, rationalism, and ethical values on an international scale. Babu Gogineni's leadership in this position has undoubtedly played a crucial role in advancing the organization's mission and impact in advocating for human rights and secular values worldwide.
 * His tenure as the ex-officio Executive Director signifies his standing as a respected and influential figure within the global humanist community. The role itself involves responsibilities of strategic planning, representing the organization at international forums, and engaging in diplomatic efforts to foster collaboration with like-minded organizations and governments. Such a position warrants recognition, as it demonstrates Gogineni's involvement in shaping policies and initiatives that have a tangible impact on people's lives.
 * We should acknowledge that notability is not solely determined by mainstream media attention or celebrity status. Instead, it is also about the influence and contributions of an individual within their respective field or community. In this regard, Babu Gogineni's work with IHEU is undoubtedly noteworthy and contributes to his overall significance as a public figure.
 * As we discuss the article's notability, let us consider the broader context of Gogineni's contributions to humanism, rationalism, and ethical values. His involvement in leading a prominent international organization further cements his status as a notable personality, deserving of a well-documented and informative Wikipedia article.
 * I urge my fellow editors to consider the potential of this article. With collective efforts and a commitment to improvement, we can maintain the article's integrity while upholding Wikipedia's content guidelines. I sincerely hope that you will join me in keeping this article and helping it reach its full potential. Ram Gangaraju (talk) 17:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 16:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: This article should be instead cleaned up with active links and web archive versions of the dead links previously referenced.
 * Babu Gogineni has a notable human rights activism record, is a noted humanist internationally within humanist circles, an attestation to this being an entry in citation [1] of the article, which is an international directory of humanists, rationalists and freethinkers. Here's his entry: https://archive.org/details/whoswhoinhellhan00smit/page/442/mode/2up
 * He's also a signatory of Humanist manifesto 2000 written by Paul Kurtz who is not professionally affiliated with IHEU in which Gogineni worked ex-officio as Executive Director.
 * IHEU is now called Humanists International and its current President (Andrew Copson) and most of previous chairs and presidents and some of its current board members indeed have wiki entries.
 * Gogineni has also written op-ed articles for BBC Telugu and is frequently cited as an expert in human rights issues in news media.
 * He also has more than a 100 interviews to his credit in TV news channels, was a celebrity participant in Bigg Boss Telugu season 2 (Indian version of Big Brother reality show). In addition, he also created and presented a science documentary series. He has an imdb entry https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9898368/
 * Gogineni has also been attacked for his views and was slapped in the past with a frivolous case for hurting religious sentiments, which garnered solidarity from rationalists and humanists in the country. The case was subsequently struck down by the courts.
 * Here are some news articles from Indian national-level media on his work:
 * https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/indias-own-carl-sagan-meet-babu-gogineni-science-populariser-hyderabad-70951?page=1
 * https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/rationalist-and-bigg-boss-contestant-babu-gogineni-booked-hyd-cops-sedition-83760
 * https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/humanist-and-rationalists-condemn-case-filed-against-babu-gogineni-express-solidarity-83965
 * His work is notable and important in the Indian rationalist/humanist scene  where he works as a science popularizer, activist and commentator and led campaigns to bust superstitions, and in issues of human rights.
 * I vote to keep this article and possibly let it be cleaned up and updated. Tejasomina (talk) 03:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Giving interviews doesn't make him notable. As I already explained Executive Director in this organisation is like Head of Marketing in big MNCs. There are Vice-president, President, Chief executive officer, Board of Directors above him. Until now we've deleted many articles as such. This doesn't make him eligible to have article on Wikipedia. IMDB shows which you've mentioned are tv shows which were broadcasted in 10TV Telugu News channel as a program like crime stories. These are not documentaries. Moreover anyone can create account on IMDB and add things like this. These are just half an hour programs which comes on Sunday's in 10TV Telugu News channel. Writing articles doesn't make a person eligible to have an article on Wikipedia. Many people will write op-ed articles and publish them on many prominent News websites this doesn't make them notable. please refer to WP:BLPSPS, WP:BLPSELFPUB & WP:SIRS, launching campaign on issues and doing protests and debating on those topics in News channels doesn't make him eligible to have article on Wikipedia. There are many activists like him who popularized science across the world this doesn't make them eligible to have article on Wikipedia.   MRRaja001  (talk) 05:24, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I am surprised and disappointed at equating the executive director of a human rights organization who represented it in platforms like United Nations, Council of Europe, to chief of marketing of a company. Also disappointed at equating a science documentary aimed to inspire critical thinking in a news channel in a generally scientifically illiterate Indian society, to a cheesy crime-reality show that causes prejudice and paranoia in society.
 * I am also surprised at reducing Gogineni’s contribution to rationalism, human rights and rescue activities and their impact, to giving interviews and making media appearances. Some of his campaigns like the rescuing the god-child Sambhavi deserve their own articles in Wikipedia due to their significance in Indian society and impact on making use of human rights commission to uphold child rights in India.
 * As far as the other objections related to self-authored sources are raised, many of the previously cited references in this article were actually from third party sources, news sources and other publications. These references seem to have been removed recently from the article as they are dead now and this article has been put up to nomination for deletion with this being one of the grounds.
 * This is one of the primary reasons I would like this article not to be deleted now and instead to be updated and expanded with active sources of good quality. Tejasomina (talk) 03:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * In that case we can delete page and move this to draft. There you can expand and add good citations and resubmit for article creation again. If it meets all the Wikipedia standards then it'll get accepted.-  MRRaja001  (talk) 07:50, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Frankly we have videos about cats and about World War 2 leaders. With decent, extensive sourcing, anything can be covered here. Oaktree b (talk) 20:35, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete:As per my research the only notable position this person held was Executive Director of IHEU and this too is not part of Executive Council or neither equal to the position of Board of Directors or President or Vice President of this organisation. So, i suggest for deletion of this article. -  MRRaja001  (talk) 19:34, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:32, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep or Delete He appears to have been on Big Boss 2, so there is plenty of coverage; although it could be someone with a similar name . It appears he's been charged with a crime . If he's on the Big Boss 2 show, !keep. If not, !delete for lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 21:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Does participating in Bigboss make him eligible to have article on Wikipedia.Now all the people who participated in this show can create articles right as per your logic. -  MRRaja001  (talk) 16:43, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm asking a question, that's why I was wondering if it's worthwhile. Plenty of coverage for this person. Oaktree b (talk) 21:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete:As per my research the only notable position this person held was Executive Director of IHEU and this too is not part of Executive Council or neither equal to the position of Board of Directors or President or Vice President of this organisation. So, i suggest for deletion of this article. -  MRRaja001  (talk) 16:44, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


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