Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Babydog

Babydog

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Article clearly does not meet WP:N. See also WP:BLP1E. Content should go into article on 2024 Republican Convention. Casprings (talk) 00:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The subject currently has media going back to 2022. WP:BLP1E doesn’t apply. Thriley (talk) 00:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep: Extensive coverage in RS for 2-3 yrs now, very much meeting GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 01:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Easily meets GNG. Here's a NY Times article about Justice and Babydog from last year:. Thriley (talk) 01:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: per Oaktree. Queen of Hearts &thinsp;talk 01:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Animal, Politics, COVID-19,  and West Virginia.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  01:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: The subject is notable, as is clear from the media attention she has received. This is not based on a single event, as WP:BLP1E typically applies to biographies of living persons. It's crucial to note that Babydog is not a person, and sources have featured her over many years. Articles from the New York Times and other sources confirm this coverage. The subject is part of public discourse, meeting the standards outlined in GNG. This justifies keeping the article.--AstridMitch (talk) 02:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: Definitely passes WP:GNG. Not to mention that BLP1E doesn't apply to non-humans, and she has coverage from multiple events from 2021 to 2024. It doesn't even make sense to merge into the 2024 RNC page like the nominator suggests, as this article only has two sentences about her appearance at the RNC. Di (they-them) (talk) 03:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep: As Mentioned above this dog is notable per the recent and previous domestic media coverage, but now is viral sensation on social media, and has international attention from News Outlets in, Australia, India and more. This article has already gone above and beyond with suitable sources from multiple places in print, TV and video, including previous articles well before the recent RNC event in 2024, such as the "Do it for Babydog" Vaccine Lottery in 2021. As stated above by others, I agree that it meets the basic criteria for general notability. RedatopiaM (talk) 08:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per others. Coverage is not limited to convention. JSwift49 10:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to Jim Justice. Sure the dog is notable, but the content is all still closely related to Justice and can be covered in his article just fine. Reywas92Talk 13:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep: Babydog's relevancy is greater than her appearance at the RNC, and ought not to be merged with Justice's article due to her involvement in state-wide schemes like "Do it for Babydog". She meets notability similar to other dogs of significant public interest.
 * Horizons 1 (talk) 19:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep - Should be closed as a speedy keep. Little merit in this discussion continuing for a week as there is a snowballs chance this ever turns about. Significant coverage in the NYT, Independent, and countless other perrenial sources giving full page articles to this dog in detail. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - I agree. From news coverage starting in 2021, to national news coverage in 2022, with additional news coverage in 2023 and 2024, articles about Babydog herself have been rather prevalent. As a West Virginian as well, I think this fits the bill for coverage as an article (especially noting there are articles dedicated to other politicians who have appeared in fewer media stories), and believe this ends discussion on whether this article should be kept or not. Ocarina2020 (talk) 03:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to Jim Justice and the Republican National Convention. I say this as a West Virginian, an animal lover, and an inclusionist who likes quirky subjects: even though there's a lot of coverage in major outlets, it's all trivial.  Babydog hasn't done anything noteworthy, and is at best a minor, local celebrity whose national fame is likely to be fleeting.  If it persists for a few years, then we would have a reason for an article, like we do with important memes.  But it's too soon for that, and I suspect that Babydog will quickly vanish from the national spotlight, as Jim Justice won't be able to bring him onto the floor of the U.S. Senate every time he wants to make a silly point (assuming he wins—Jim Justice, I mean, not Babydog).  I will overlook the possibility that the nominator's real name is "Catsprings", and that he or she is motivated by personal animus toward canine politicians...  P Aculeius (talk) 03:31, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: Babydog has coverage from 2021 to 2024, so I don't really see how "if it persists for a few years we would have reason for an article" makes sense considering her coverage has persisted for a few years. As an aside, I recognize that the comment about the nominator's username was probably a joke, but jokingly accusing a nominator of personal animus could be easily construed as casting WP:aspersions, so perhaps don't make those kinds of jokes in discussions. Di (they-them) (talk) 03:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Coverage of Babydog prior to her appearance at the convention was plainly trivial—she appeared only in announcements or press appearances by Jim Justice, and nothing of her own, and has never been anything but a prop for Justice. She would be better covered under Jim Justice and/or the Republican National Convention.  I don't think that anyone would construe my remark about "Catsprings" (not Casprings) nominating "Babydog" for deletion as a cast aspersion.  You evidently knew it wasn't, and unless someone else believes it was, I would refrain from scolding editors for obviously humorous asides.  P Aculeius (talk) 12:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I was not trying to scold. I was just trying to be helpful and give advice. I apologize if I came off as rude. Di (they-them) (talk) 15:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * OrangeShorthairCatStanding.JPG In the spirit of friendliness, I accept your apology and proffer my own for overreacting. I also present myself for a conciliatory stroking.  P Aculeius (talk) 02:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Searches for Socks (cat) and "Obama's dog" both provided full articles. If the sources are good and notability established, there is no reason to exclude Babydog. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Socks and "Obama's dog" (pretty sure that's not the title of the article) belonged to Presidents of the United States, not state governors. And they received fairly substantial and national coverage over periods of several years, not just passing mentions of their use as physical props when Presidents Clinton and Obama were grandstanding behind them.  Socks received a lot of mail from children, which even became the source of a newsworthy book; and a nationwide search for a hypoallergenic pooch helps explain why "Obama's dog" got so much coverage, aside from belonging to the president's family.
 * If you want a more apt parallel involving a presidential pet, consider that we don't have articles on Lyndon Johnson's dogs, which gained attention solely because of the way he handled them, and not because of what they did; and we have an article about Nixon's Checkers speech, but not about Checkers, the dog (noting that Nixon was only vice president at the time, but due to the speech, Checkers is one of the most well-known pets that ever belonged to someone who became president). P Aculeius (talk) 02:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge per P Aculeius' argument. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)