Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Babylonian Pandemonium


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no action. At this stage, Pandemonium (Cavalera Conspiracy album) redirects to Babylonian Pandemonium. Both are possible titles for the article but the album hasn't been released yet so we simply don't know. Regardless of the title, it seems we are talking about a notable album. Whatever editorial action needs to be taken after release, it probably shouldn't involve AFD which isn't for clean-up and isn't designed to solve title questions. Yes, I'm "involved" but there's nothing deletion-related being proposed so I'm closing this to allow views with regard to the article title and other non-deletion-related concerns to be directed to the article's talk page (non-admin closure).  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 03:37, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Babylonian Pandemonium

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Wrong title (a user started the deletion discussion without adding this page, which I did for them). Jax 0677 (talk) 01:25, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey Jax, what's the title supposed to be? Why not just move it to whatever the proper title is and speedy-delete the old title (or leave it as a redirect if its an old working title and still a plausible search term or something)?  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 12:34, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:10, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:10, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 *  Reply - There is significant debate about whether the article should be titled Pandemonium (Cavalera Conspiracy album), or Babylonian Pandemonium, and I wanted to resolve the issue before doing anything. The old title has already been taken, and  started a deletion discussion without creating this very page that we're on. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:17, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jax. I think, then, that this should be closed as out-of-process so that the discussion about a title has been resolved. We would only have a deletion discussion if, having resolved the title dispute, the subject was considered non-notable. I don't think that's the case here. Whatever the title, this is a notable thing, right? Once it's actually released (in a couple of weeks) the title can be resolved by... you know... reading the album cover. Any objection (from anyone) to me closing this?  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 21:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 *  Reply - I believe that since the retitle was done by cut and paste, that we must determine the correct title, and arrange for a proper history merge to that title, etc. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:12, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That's fair, but I don't think this is the right place for that.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 23:21, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 *  Reply - I have reverted the cut and paste move, as any moves like that (wherever the article may go) should be done at WP:RM. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:33, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, so then does this still need deleting? What are we trying to achieve with this AFD?  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 00:42, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 *  Reply - I propose redirecting Pandemonium (Cavalera Conspiracy album) to Babylonian Pandemonium FOR NOW. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:05, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Cool, and that redirect is in place now, right? That's the current situation and we're not proposing to change it, right?  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 01:56, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 *  Reply - I am not proposing such a change. I have no objection to closing this discussion, but I also have no objection to hearing the opinions of others either.  I am not going to close the discussion due to WP:INVOLVED. --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:28, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


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