Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Backwell Karate


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The result was   delete. -- Kubigula (talk) 04:16, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Backwell Karate

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There do not seem to be enough sources to support an article. Andrew Davidson (talk) 17:57, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - No sources to be found in google, seems like a pretty non-notable Karate club.-- Stv Fett erly  (Edits)  20:01, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sources from 6 different sources added, confirming national recognition of instructor and numerous references in local media, including multiple articles published in thisissomerset.co.uk.--Nailseabackwellresident 20:31, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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 * Withdraw The article is a new one and its creator has done a creditable job of adding more sources. I no longer propose that we delete this article and recommend that we give it more time for further development. Andrew Davidson (talk) 08:47, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the AfD can't be withdrawn as there is an outstanding delete !vote. I don't know if you want to contact Stvfetterly and ask him/her to revisit/reassess........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:35, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Let me go through the new references and I'll see if my delete vote should be removed.-- Stv Fett erly  (Edits)  17:35, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * - The 'Bristol Evening Post', the 'Clevedon Mercury', and 'http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk' all appear to be very small local news sources.
 * - only lists that a karate club exists
 * - The Karate Union of Great Britain (KUGB) regional championships appear to be a relatively local level British tournaments. Also, the club didn't win the awards listed (as it appears to be written right now), but rather uncredited members of the club won them.
 * I still have some concerns with this article. Various members of the club seem to have participated and won several minor reigonal tournaments, (which received coverage in local papers), but I'm not seeing any real indication of notability for the club as a whole.  Still fails WP:GNG # 1 - "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention" which is all that I'm seeing in any of these sources.  I'll keep my delete vote up in hopes that some better indication of notability can be found.-- Stv  Fett erly  (Edits)  17:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I still have some concerns with this article. Various members of the club seem to have participated and won several minor reigonal tournaments, (which received coverage in local papers), but I'm not seeing any real indication of notability for the club as a whole.  Still fails WP:GNG # 1 - "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention" which is all that I'm seeing in any of these sources.  I'll keep my delete vote up in hopes that some better indication of notability can be found.-- Stv  Fett erly  (Edits)  17:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't think this club has the significant coverage required to pass WP:GNG. Almost all of the awards mentioned are for juniors and/or regional events and these are not normally considered sufficient to show notability (even for the individuals themselves).  The club isn't even mentioned in all of the sources and the coverage appears to be very localized and WP:ROUTINE. Mdtemp (talk) 19:09, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Regarding the news sources, Bristol Evening Post has a circulation of 43,247 . While a regional title, this compares favourably with national Scottish titles such as The Scotsman (36,287), The Herald (45,178). Indeed, well-recognised titles such as The Independent only have circulation figures of 98,636.
 * - WP: GNG states that “sources for notability purposes, should be secondary sources” and that they “are not required to be available online”. Further, it states that “multiple sources are generally expected” This article complies with all of these principals. I note the concern about GNG #1, though it does state that the article does not need to be the main topic of the sourced material and a number of the other sources are not online sources either (though are still fully referenced as per Wikipedia policy).
 * - WP:ROUTINE states that “routine news coverage of such things as announcements, sports, and tabloid journalism are not sufficient basis for an article” however the article does not use news coverage as a basis for an article; references are used to substantiate and ratify mentions within the article.
 * - Regarding the concern that the club is not mentioned in all of the sources, there is only one of eleven sources where the club is not referenced (number 7). In this case, the club member name is included, which substantiates the reference on the page.
 * - To draw a comparison to numerous other Wikipedia articles, English football clubs are deemed notable to hold their own Wikipedia pages. At random, here is a link to one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earlswood_Town_F.C.), with the only notable success being a league title in the Midland Football combination, a league which many people would not be aware of. Backwell Karate has a current Shotokan Karate national squad member of Britain’s largest Shotokan Karate organisation and has generated members with a number of successes at national level.
 * - Regarding the reference to regional championships, these are deliberately labelled as such, to avoid any confusion with national honours. There is no reference to the individuals, on the basis that the article refers to successes driven from the club’s membership, however, these can be added if required. Is the concern about results from regional tournaments not addressed by the fact that there are still national honours displayed above it and the way that the article is labelled? I do not think it would enhance the article to remove these references.
 * - In addition to the national achievements and notes above, that the club is well established - therefore having a long history of association with both the local and Karate communities - should also allay concerns that this is a notable mention of a well-established entity.--Nailseabackwellresident (talk) 12:18, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete I'm not seeing notability. Several of the sources consist solely of mentioning a celebration of the club's founder's 30 years at the club.  Being associated with a large organization doesn't make each individual club notable (WP:NOTINHERITED) nor does having one member on an organization's national team.  The circulation numbers are irrelevant--I get a local paper that's delivered to every home in several counties, but it's still a local paper--as is the fact that there's a questionable article on a football team (WP:OTHERSTUFF). Papaursa (talk) 22:09, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * DeleteAs an individual school there must be something that sets it apart from any other of thousands. Doing well with what are essentially local events does not do that.Peter Rehse (talk) 03:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete this fails WP:ORG, getting coverage in a local paper or of that of connected persons does not make this school notable. Mt  king  (edits)  06:15, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment -- This seems to be a sporting club of local significance. As such I might have suggested merging it with Backwell (where is operates).  It has a brief mention in that article already, and I am dubious whether there is much more in the AFD article worth merging.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:16, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete There's nothing to show this club is any more notable than thousands of other karate schools. The author of this article also pasted its existence into the Backwell article, but there's nothing in that article to show the school's notability either. Jakejr (talk) 00:01, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


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