Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bad Salad


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Wifione  Message 18:45, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Bad Salad

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There is no indication in this article that the band meets the criteria of WP:GNG or WP:BAND. Their album has not charted and they've not had a national or international tour (just a few cities in Brazil). Contested prod. ... disco spinster   talk  00:04, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Cheers,  Riley   Huntley  01:28, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. -- Cheers,  Riley   Huntley  01:28, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

What is happening here is a bit more convoluted than meets the eye. The Facebook page for Bad Salad made a post earlier today asking for their 35,000 fans to do what they can to keep this article up. It is blatantly clear this article is a product of vanity, in fact, I observed a certain fan on Facebook claiming he alone made the Wikipedia page. My fear is that the force of such a grassroots Facebook campaign might keep this article up longer than it needs to, and confuse a lot of metal fans. In fact, the only reason I stumbled across Bad Salad is because they were worked into the "jazz influence" section of the Progressive Metal article. Sure hope these guys, and their album, get deleted off Wikipedia.

User:Churnice —Preceding undated comment added 02:07, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Vote for DELETE. Don't even come close to meeting any criteria for being notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.23.136.205 (talk) 04:24, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I vote for keeping the page. As I have already said, the band is listed on progarchives.com, which only lists bands which are relevant to the genre. Just as a thermometer of their influence, Bad Salad are three times more popular on facebook than bands like Circus Maximus and Seventh Wonder, which both have an article here on Wikipedia and are both big names in the prog metal genre.

Matti.happy (talk) 08:54, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per A7: as far as I can tell, no major write-ups, reviews, or even fansites. Don't know where they got 35,000 fans, but I don't see how this meets the basic "credible assertion of notability" criterion.  The reason A7 applies specifically to bands is that anybody can get together and make music, and a fair amount of people can even release that music, so speedy deletion is allowed for any articles on bands that don't show that they're anything more than just that - a group of people who've made some music and released it.  And I think this is one of those articles.  (If I seem to be repeating myself, I'm just trying to pre-emptively respond to any objections to what I know, at the very least, will seem like a possibly overly bold move. — Francophonie&#38;Androphilie  (Je vous invite à me parler ) 09:31, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Facebook groups are not a valid measure of popularity, nor is having an article on progarchives.com - this only proves the band exists, not they are notable. Lukeno94 (talk) 12:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete - I keep tagging this article and endorsing it's deletion, but the tags seem to disappear. This is the worse kind of profit driven astroturfing puffery that wikipedia has, and it needs to go. Now. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 00:06, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I see how your points hold, from a strict interpretation of the music band notability rules, and I guess for Wikipedia being strict to rules is essential to its own mantainment. I beg to differ on the criteria used to judge whether a band is notable or not. Nowadays, the popularity of a band is also mainly measured by popularity on social media (facebook, myspace, youtube - who watchs MTV anymore? Do we expect prog metal to go on tv or radio and get on charts?) and with time, the standard criteria of "having a label" is not going to hold anymore thanks to services like CDBaby and similars and due to the fact that means to produce a professional quality recording are getting cheaper and cheaper and therefore proficient bands can bypass labels. Anyway, yes, from a strict interpretation of the notability rules, I agree to the deletion of the page then. But I see cases like this becoming more and more popular in the future. Matti.happy (talk) 13:20, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Matti.happy - I was in a band who is listed on progarchives.com, we released 3 albums & performed with bands such as Caravan, Curved Air, Traffic, etc... I don't think we were notable enough for a wiki page, Bad Salad comes no where near enough notability I'm afraid. Inclusion on one websites database does not prove notoriety or notability. 92.23.136.205 (talk) 16:52, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not wiki savvy but I'm a fan of the band and would hate to see this article go. Bad Salad was #1 for 2 years on Roadrunner Records' (Dream Theater, Nickelback, Rush, Slipknot) website for unsigned artists, SignMeTo. You do know Roadrunner Records!? There were over 22.000 artists with profiles on there, so how is being #1 all-time on those charts not notable? I wish my band was as insignificant. Bad Salad mentioned on Roadrunner Records' website Bad Salad's independently released debut "Uncivilized" was also one of the best selling albums on CD Baby recently, to the point where CD Baby used them as poster boys for the Brazilian market, including them in a full-page ad on the Brazilian Rolling Stone magazine. Also, I'd like to mention that the person who is most interested in getting this article removed is someone who is personally bothered by the band, for whatever reason. He has gone to their facebook page multiple times to attack the band members and their fans with homophobic, racist, and other downright hateful comments. He stated on the screenshots (that the band posted, and were later removed) that it would be his mission in life to get Bad Salad off the map. I have no idea why this person hates the band so much, but I hope his personal little crusade against them ends here, and that this article stays and gets improved upon with the proper external references/criterias Wikipedia requires. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.47.149.12 (talk) 20:07, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If being #1 on SignMeTo meant anything, there would be third-party articles mentioning this, like there are articles saying when a band does well in the Billboard charts or wins a major award or sells out a major tour. If they were number 1 for 2 years and nobody noticed this, it kind of suggests the honor doesn't mean much. --Colapeninsula (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:57, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails WP:BAND, fails WP:GNG. I don't know about others, but I don't hate Bad Salad. They just don't meet criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. Lots of things don't. Richigi (talk) 03:46, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - to the above IP, firstly, WP:ILIKEIT is not a valid reason for keeping an article. Secondly, SignMeTo sounds like a payed-for reward, and the fact that a band could sit at the top for two years makes me suspicious as to both its size and reliability. 22,000 artists may sound like a lot, but how many of these actually posted anything, or anything of value? As for CD Baby, you have given no references whatsoever to back up your claim. I have no idea who Bad Salad are - but there are lots of artists out there that are notable and I've never heard of. I still don't see this band as being notable at present. Lukeno94 (talk) 10:15, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

This page has been up for deletion for much longer than the customary 7 days. Pretty clear consensus to delete. Shouldn't it be gone by now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.30.128.138 (talk) 04:56, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
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