Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bagio White (3rd nomination)


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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 18:35, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Bagio White
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spammy paid for pr piece about a non-notable person. All of the pieces are interviews or press releases and otherwise not coverage of White. The sources I could find are almost all exclusively based off of this release. Praxidicae (talk) 15:29, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:35, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:35, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment there is something funny going on witht he sources in the article. Almost all of them have the same format: same image at top, same glowing coverage of an up and coming person. They are also all in publications I have never heard of. The last source, the American California Herald, mentions in their editorial policy that they take outside content, and really try to verify, but if they can't they rely on the provider: "Our editorial staff reviews most content from outside sources for accuracy, balance, completeness and timeliness before we make it available on our sites. In the cases where a complete review is not possible, we rely on spot-checking and our previous evaluation of possible sources of information and of the editorial procedures used by the information provider (for example, in the case of the use of government agency news releases). In most cases, the content we obtain from others has also been reviewed by the provider’s own in-house staff or subjected to review by independent authorities in the field." Not my idea of a good source.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:44, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I was writing up a source table in case this became contentious but yes, that's part of the problem. It's all PR based on the yahoo press release. And almost every single one is from a user generated site (similar to Medium.) Praxidicae (talk) 15:46, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Also while I know we don't consider follower counts, I have a hard time believing that someone who claims to have so much social capital only has 115k followers. Praxidicae (talk) 15:50, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You know, when I hear "follower count", I just think of one numerical entry in a large SQL database and do not give it much credenceThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It's possible that it is a publicity farm. The editorial policy for the American Reporter is identical to the California Herald policy above. They list Boston offices but their contact phone number starts with +91, the country code for India. The London Daily Post uses the same editorial policy, word for word. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:55, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete source coverage cannot be reliably verified. Much of it seems to be self-generated, the product of a publicity farm of web sites.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:02, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , I have no doubt they're fake sources. The office location for the theamericanreporter doesn't exist. There is no 2512 Cedar Lane Boston MA 02114. https://www.theamericanreporter.com/editorial-policy/ is just like https://londondailypost.com/editorial-policy/
 * tricitydaily.com is only used as a source for one other article: the spammy [TalkSpace] and look at https://tricitydaily.com/editorial-policy/, it's the same editorial policy again. californiaherald.com isn't much better. Two other articles cite it: Yusof Mutahar and Jeff Colhoun (director) and look, there's that same https://www.californiaherald.com/editorial-policy/ again and in case you were wondering where their office is: 2464 Norman Street Los Angeles CA 90017. There's no office there. So what about oneworldherald? That source is used on articles:  DJ WilSAF, Jan Jens, Luke Bakhuizen, Dj ILJANO, and Mia Scozzafave curious about their editorial policy? So was I: https://oneworldherald.com/editorial-policy/ Delete and salt. Enough is enough. Vexations (talk) 17:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It would be good if someone who knows about the WP edit filter could add these, to prevent them from being used as sources. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:38, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * running a coibot report now and will request blacklisting. Praxidicae (talk) 17:46, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


 * delete does not meet the notability standard, and the sources are definitely suspect. — billinghurst  sDrewth  06:00, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

I had started to see some other referencing coming through in the past couple of months, and had been lightly following and today we had intersect. I think that there is some nasty unreliable sources in play that has been faked news into articles. Time to cull, and to blacklist. Build me a list here, and I will look to see about getting it more globally analysed and possible blocked. Here is my list and your list combined. They are all not the same media farms, though they are similar shite.

I am sure that there are plenty more

other dodgy shite

already blacklisted


 * Delete and SALT per the discussion about fake sources above. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete We should not let PR pushing fool us into thinking someone is notable who in fact is not.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:00, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:NOTPROMOTION. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:20, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I nominated this at AfD in August 2016 and I am still having to request deletion. They must be pretty expensive PR agents to be so very very persistent. This is probably not a good use of my time so please, please salt this one.  Velella  Velella Talk 05:53, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete As per everything said so far. And how does someone have the time, effort and energy to make a bunch of fake publicity for oneself, but not to actually make themselves notable. Bizare.★Trekker (talk) 22:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


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